An Irish face on the cause of citizenship

[internetkafe 0]

I am not pissed at Ireland.

I was just describing a symptom I had opportunity to study.

I find it disgusting to see illegal Irish immigrants wanting special treatment.

If you are here illegally it should not matter where you are from. Citing historical Irish immigration to America as a supporting factor does not do good. Personally I am in favor of diversifying immigration to this country. And for this Irish immigration should be curbed. Just like immigration from other countries which sent millions of immigrants here in the past.

I pointed to a hypocrisy there. If you are against immigration and immigrants at home how can you ask for special treatment for illegal Irish immigrants in the US?

Turkey's EU ambitions is not the subject here. Since you mentioned it...personally I am opposed to the idea. Turkey is a Muslim country and historically the leader of Islamic World. Turkey will find her dignity in leading an Islamic Union..not by being a third-rate part of a Christian Union. The dignity and liberation for Muslim countries is in this direction...disengaging themselves from others and creating a sound economy based on a wealth of both natural resources and human capital.

As for the job application..all I can say is that they put the announcement on a foreign (American) job board (not international). They were willing to hire foreigners. Otherwise they would not spend money to put that ad there. There were no mentioning of EU citizenship. But when I applied new requirements came up all of a sudden. That was certainly discrimination. I do not think it is the Irish only to have this type of mentality.

[aidan80 9]

I am not pissed at Ireland.

I was just describing a symptom I had opportunity to study.

I find it disgusting to see illegal Irish immigrants wanting special treatment.

If you are here illegally it should not matter where you are from. Citing historical Irish immigration to America as a supporting factor does not do good. Personally I am in favor of diversifying immigration to this country. And for this Irish immigration should be curbed. Just like immigration from other countries which sent millions of immigrants here in the past.

I pointed to a hypocrisy there. If you are against immigration and immigrants at home how can you ask for special treatment for illegal Irish immigrants in the US?

Turkey's EU ambitions is not the subject here. Since you mentioned it...personally I am opposed to the idea. Turkey is a Muslim country and historically the leader of Islamic World. Turkey will find her dignity in leading an Islamic Union..not by being a third-rate part of a Christian Union. The dignity and liberation for Muslim countries is in this direction...disengaging themselves from others and creating a sound economy based on a wealth of both natural resources and human capital.

As for the job application..all I can say is that they put the announcement on a foreign (American) job board (not international). They were willing to hire foreigners. Otherwise they would not spend money to put that ad there. There were no mentioning of EU citizenship. But when I applied new requirements came up all of a sudden. That was certainly discrimination. I do not think it is the Irish only to have this type of mentality.

I find it quite disgusting to find fellow immigrants judging and finger pointing at our illegal brother & sister immigrants based solely on their status. The last time I checked the legal immigrants here in the US didn’t have the right to judge another group in fact none of us has that right. The US was and is made up of many, many different types of people from across the globe; the US was created by immigrants. Sorry people but, unless you have some heavy duty native American in you.. you’re most likely the product of an immigrant or set(s) of immigrants yourself! “Diversifying immigration” what exactly does that mean? I thought that’s what the “diversity lottery” was for? God you want to curb Irish immigration? Sounds like you have some double standards of your own.. you do know that more people live in New York City than there are living in the whole of Ireland? Ireland is a tiny wee place!

No offence intended but.. I find your line of thinking.. more than just hypocritical I fail to see the logic in it. Read over my previous post again I think you should see that I’m not against immigrants at home, I pointed out some of the reasons people at home find to dislike or distrust immigrants. People are people first and foremost to me, I grew up in a time and an area where mistrust, division and conflict where peoples principal priorities. I try not to repeat history or simply judge people based on who they are or where they come from! I don’t believe my own people should be given preferential treatment over anyone else here.. but if we can help highlight and direct the attention of people in authority to the situation and help bring about the legalisation of some of the people here illegally… then that can’t be a bad thing! I’m not saying it’s ok to be here illegally, I’m saying there are many, many people here illegally and the problem should be addressed but not by criminalisation or breeding division.

Well I was all for the idea of Turkey becoming part of the EU, I believe Turkey would and could help diversify the EU.. but as you said that isn’t the subject here. Third rate part of a Christian union.. good god man.. you have a nerve to talk about “hypocrisy” you sound like your just a racist in a way yourself!

As for the job application.. if you believe so strongly in “creating a sound economy based on wealth of both natural resources and human capital” (is it just me or does that sound communist?) for Turkey or the Islamic/musilm world.. then why where you looking for a job in a different country? You really should make up your mind about things… I’m almost glad new requirements came up.. don’t know if I’d want an employee as confused as you working for me! You’re totally right not just us Irish have “this mentality” looks like you’ve got a severe.. chronic dose of it yourself!

[jelti 0]

As for the job application..all I can say is that they put the announcement on a foreign (American) job board (not international). They were willing to hire foreigners. Otherwise they would not spend money to put that ad there. There were no mentioning of EU citizenship. But when I applied new requirements came up all of a sudden. That was certainly discrimination. I do not think it is the Irish only to have this type of mentality.

I have add my $0.02 in here because no one has mentioned this yet.

Did you stop to think that perhaps they advertised this job on an American job board because of the massive amount of people living in America that have dual (American and any EU country) citizenship?? And actually, nevermind...they don't even need dual citizenship. There are tons of people who are working here temporarily, even people who come visit family for a couple months out of the year, people who are members of the EU...I believe that job advertisement was aimed at them. It wasn't aimed at Americans who don't have work authorization to work in an EU country. Trust me, I know. I tried to get work in Ireland a few years ago when I was naive enough to think I could just work wherever I wanted anywhere in the world. And I couldn't. Why? Cuz I'm American. And America isn't part of the EU.

Most people realize that one either has to have special work authorization to work in another country, or be a citizen of that country (or group of countries as is the case with the EU). It's just common sense (which I shamelessly admit to not having any of a few years ago).

I'm totally not trying to be rude here...but you need to get your head out of your hole and realize the world isn't out to get people who aren't exactly like them. There are just certain rules we have to follow. Rules that we might not like, but have to follow regardless. *shrug*

Edited April 5, 2006 by jelti

[internetkafe 0]

As for the job application.. if you believe so strongly in “creating a sound economy based on wealth of both natural resources and human capital” (is it just me or does that sound communist?) for Turkey or the Islamic/musilm world.. then why where you looking for a job in a different country? You really should make up your mind about things… I’m almost glad new requirements came up.. don’t know if I’d want an employee as confused as you working for me! You’re totally right not just us Irish have “this mentality” looks like you’ve got a severe.. chronic dose of it yourself!

'Why was I looking for a job in a different country?' Why is the Irish looking for business and jobs in Iraq?

I do believe so strongly in creating a sound economy based on wealth of both natural resources and human capital for this very reason. I 'was looking for a job in a different country' because they have been looking for 'jobs' in 'a different country'.

Quoted from http://portaliraq.com :

Oil : Petrel extends business in Iraq

Sunday, July 24th 2005

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Petrel is in discussions to extend its area of exploration interest in Iraq; any new acreage will be under the transitional Technical Cooperation Agreement developed by the Iraqi Ministry of Oil while the Iraqi government determines future energy policy, the managing director stated at a July 22 meeting in Dublin.

This week Petrel engineers submitted detailed technical clarifications on the Kormor Gas Project tender in northern Iraq to the Ministry of Oil.

"We understand that Iraqi Ministry of Oil officials are satisfied with technical and commercial clarifications to our Subba & Luhais oil field development tender of late 2004. Last week we signed a Memorandum of Understanding with GE on the Subba & Luhais project."

The director stated that Subba & Luhais remains their priority oil project since 1999. They are continuing to conduct regional work on Western Desert Block 6 and neighboring areas. "...We remain committed to expand our Iraqi activities."

All resolutions were passed at the meeting.

According to last month's statement by Petrel Chairman John Teeling, the company is strengthening in Iraq.

"We have had a presence in Baghdad for years and have negotiated with the Iraqi Oil Ministry on both exploration and development contracts...We continue to be encouraged by the Oil Ministry to submit tenders for new projects," Teeling said.

Teeling said that Petrel's future lies in the Middle East. "Iraq will play a central role in the growth of an oil supply desperately needed to fuel the world economic machine. The new Iraq is having a difficult birth but progress is being made. There is now a government and the rule of law is returning at least to certain parts of the country. A stable prosperous future for Iraq mandates the development of their vast oil resources."

Teeling continued: "Petrel, by maintaining a presence in Iraq, by continuing to submit tenders and through ongoing work on the exploration potential of Block 6 is showing our commitment to the country. Every passing year tightens the oil supply/demand balance making development of Iraqi oil more critical for world consumers. We remain confident that we will have a role to play in this development."

Quoted from http://rigzone.com :

Petrel Resources, which is developing the Subba and Luhais Oil Field in Iraq, says that it has encountered no insurmountable security problems on the project to date.

"Our project development is proceeding according to plan," said David Horgan, Petrel's managing director. "There are risks but they are manageable ... We have encountered no insuperable security problems."

Horgan added that Petrel has expanded its presence in Baghdad and elsewhere in Iraq. "The Subba & Luhais Project provides an infrastructure for advancing all our activities in Iraq," he said.

The Iraqi authorities continue to give encouragement and support. We look forward to the formation of the national government following successful elections with a high participation rate."

Petrel also has mobilized project personnel, initiated engineering work, formed a joint venture with local partners, and opened and activated a letter of credit.

"Petrel has attracted excellent partners and suppliers," said Horgan. "We have built a team experienced in overcoming technical challenges in fluid environments. The project is fully staffed and work is underway."

Earlier this month, Petrel and its partners held technical meetings with the Iraqi Ministry of Oil State Company for Oil Projects (SCOP) to present design work to date and review their overall schedule. The parties agreed on processing and design conditions.

"Prior involvement of major suppliers (such as Gas Compression Systems) confirmed the technical and commercial basis of supply as we had originally tendered," said Horgan. "We anticipate placing long lead orders during the 3rd quarter of 2006.

Petrel also reports that SCOP confirmed its desire to use the associated gas produced from the Luhais field--rather than follow the historical method of flaring. "Accordingly we established a work group to prioritize and expedite plant deliveries to achieve early revenue," Horgan noted. "This will also provide environmental and operational benefits. This confirms official confidence in our abilities and commitment to help develop the Luhais and Subba oil fields."

Horgan said that Petrel's focus is now twofold. First, it is concentrating on design definition as part of the company's front end engineering design program for SCOP review and acceptance in the 3rd quarter of 2006. Also, the company is focusing on securing equipment and delivery conditions for the long lead items and pipeline material.

Petrel is developing the Subba and Luhais project through a joint venture with a large Iraqi group, Makman. The JV has established structures and responsibilities within the combined company. Personnel have been mobilized to project offices in Baghdad, London, Italy, and Istanbul.

Quoted from http://lse.co.uk :

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Petrel rockets on Iraqi oil contract

Wed, 7th Sep 2005, 15:37

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Shares in Petrel Resources hit the roof after the Iraqi Ministry of Oil awarded the Subba and Luhais oil field development service contract to the group.

"The contract for $197m, is to develop the Sabba and Luhais fields from under 50,000 barrels of oil to over 200,000 barrels of oil daily within a three year period," said managing director David Horgan.

The project is to develop existing proven reserves as contractor to the Ministry of Oil, with daily production of 200,000 barrels of oil and 100 million cubic feet of gas.

[aidan80 9]

Ok let me get this straight…

Is all your moaning and ranting about an Irish Oil company doing business in Iraq?

I think not…

Good god man please don’t tell me you’re getting on your “the evil west are occupying a Muslim county” horse… if you are, your backing the wrong horse my friend

[Boiler 45,493]

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

[internetkafe 0]

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

I am already in the US.

BTW ####### ARE YOU?

[jelti 0]

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

I am already in the US.

BTW ####### ARE YOU?

Whoa.

No need to get hostile. It's just a discussion forum. You should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

[internetkafe 0]

No need to get hostile. It's just a discussion forum. You should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

I think alike too. Boiler should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

(Boiler @ Apr 5 2006, 07:40 PM)

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

[aidan80 9]

No need to get hostile. It's just a discussion forum. You should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

I think alike too. Boiler should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

(Boiler @ Apr 5 2006, 07:40 PM)

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

*yawn*

If there's any such thing as putting words in someone's mouth over the internet, you certainly just did so.

And that's not nice.

[jelti 0]

No need to get hostile. It's just a discussion forum. You should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

I think alike too. Boiler should try something relaxing, like gardening or yoga.

(Boiler @ Apr 5 2006, 07:40 PM)

I do not get it, if you have those views ####### do you want to move to the US?

*yawn*

If there's any such thing as putting words in someone's mouth over the internet, you certainly just did so.

And that's not nice.

Oops. That was me, not aidan80.

[homesick_american 1]

I thought the Irish already got special treatment. I heard..and I don't know if this is true...that Ireland sends over 50,000 immigrants every five years to the US but still qualifies for the green card lottery, which if they send that many immigrants, they shouldn't. Not as special as Cuba, but more special than most wouldn't you say? That's of course assuming that what I heard is true.

[aidan80 9]

I thought the Irish already got special treatment. I heard..and I don't know if this is true...that Ireland sends over 50,000 immigrants every five years to the US but still qualifies for the green card lottery, which if they send that many immigrants, they shouldn't. Not as special as Cuba, but more special than most wouldn't you say? That's of course assuming that what I heard is true.

No offense to ye but.. I’s love to know were you could “hear” such a pile of $hite ! I’d love to know were the red carpet was for me when I arrived!

I paid for my Visa, the medical and the various travel expenses back & forth.. and for the other documentation as needed. I packed up my life into two suitcases and came to an alien country to be with my wife. We married within the 90 days, paid for the AOS & paid for my EAD. We’ve been paying our bills, taxes and everything else ever since. What special about that, sounds very normal to me!

I have read (google it, it’s out there I’m sure) that there were something in the region of 50,000 Irish currently (from Ireland) in the US without proper documentation, illegal as you like to put it.

If there were 50,000 Irish arriving in the US every 5 years (10,000 per year) then I’m sure Ireland wouldn’t be allowed to take part in the VWP? I also doubt very much that Ireland North & South would be allowed to take part in the Green Card Lottery. I also doubt there would be that many Irish people left in Ireland after a few decades of such mass immigration. You do know there are probably more people living in and around New York City than there are in all of Ireland!

I wouldn’t take anything you “hear” as the truth without first doing some research on the matter. I suggest you start with looking at the population of Ireland, North & South. Also have a look at modern immigration from Ireland to the US and how the Green Card Lottery actually operates. Sorry but it isn’t the 1800’s anymore!

I don’t support people, governments or political parties that support special treatment for any one group of immigrants over another. I’m very much against special treatment.

[rebeccajo 14]

Isn't the total limit for the lottery 50,000? From all eligible nations?

*I may have read that it's been raised to 60,000?*

[homesick_american 1]

I thought the Irish already got special treatment. I heard..and I don't know if this is true...that Ireland sends over 50,000 immigrants every five years to the US but still qualifies for the green card lottery, which if they send that many immigrants, they shouldn't. Not as special as Cuba, but more special than most wouldn't you say? That's of course assuming that what I heard is true.

No offense to ye but.. I’s love to know were you could “hear” such a pile of $hite ! I’d love to know were the red carpet was for me when I arrived!

I paid for my Visa, the medical and the various travel expenses back & forth.. and for the other documentation as needed. I packed up my life into two suitcases and came to an alien country to be with my wife. We married within the 90 days, paid for the AOS & paid for my EAD. We’ve been paying our bills, taxes and everything else ever since. What special about that, sounds very normal to me!

I have read (google it, it’s out there I’m sure) that there were something in the region of 50,000 Irish currently (from Ireland) in the US without proper documentation, illegal as you like to put it.

If there were 50,000 Irish arriving in the US every 5 years (10,000 per year) then I’m sure Ireland wouldn’t be allowed to take part in the VWP? I also doubt very much that Ireland North & South would be allowed to take part in the Green Card Lottery. I also doubt there would be that many Irish people left in Ireland after a few decades of such mass immigration. You do know there are probably more people living in and around New York City than there are in all of Ireland!

I wouldn’t take anything you “hear” as the truth without first doing some research on the matter. I suggest you start with looking at the population of Ireland, North & South. Also have a look at modern immigration from Ireland to the US and how the Green Card Lottery actually operates. Sorry but it isn’t the 1800’s anymore!

I don’t support people, governments or political parties that support special treatment for any one group of immigrants over another. I’m very much against special treatment.

*shrug* I don't really care about Ireland* (sorry) so I haven't researched it. I did read somewhere that Ireland qualifies for the diversity lottery, but the rest of it comes from the mouths of the British, who have complained bitterly to me that the Irish get 'special treatment.' Then again, I should know better than to trust anything the British say about the Irish, and vice versa. There's still a wee bit of tension there.

* I'm one of those rare white Americans who DOESN'T claim Irish ancestry, hence Ireland has never interested me one bit. I got nothing against Ireland; I just got nothing for it either, if that makes any sense.

Edited September 23, 2006 by homesick_american