Trump on black supporter: 'Look at my African-American over here'

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This has got to be one of the most ignorant things I have seen you say here on CEHST. Black neighborhoods have more crime because criminals move in at will? And which gun law(s) prohibit "lawful black citizens" from purchasing a gun? I'd like you to provide a link to such a law, because I don't believe one exists at all, I think you are just making that up.

How is it that "strict gun control for blacks" causes higher body counts in predominantly black neighborhoods, because "they" want you to kill each other?? Who is "they"? Are not those higher body counts in black neighborhoods being caused by blacks with guns & knives who care not for other humans' rights and lives? Are you saying that blacks don't care about the lives of others of their own skin tone?

Those words all together in those sentences make no sense at all. But I look forward to a further explanation so we can better understand your plight.

Sigh. Let me break this down for you since you refuse to accept reality:

First, the black neighborhoods have more crime is a fact? How do I know this? Because I've lived it. I moved to a neighborhood that was almost entirely white. We were one of the first black families to be accepted there. It was clean and safe. The cops patrolled daily and you could walk every where without worrying about any crime. This changed the more black people moved into the area. I'm talking middle class hard working families. By the time I was in high school, the shift was noticeable. Police cars were no longer around as much, the streets were starting to have trash piled up on the corner, the neighborhood park was left to rot, and the property value of the houses were in decline. When I joined the military and came back after 7 months of training, we had bars on our windows, an alarm system installed, and I was warned about being out at night. The cops were non existent and going to the store was a risk because drug dealers had moved in and were selling right on the corners(one of them my mom used to teach in grade school, that's how close it was). And it's not just there, Jennings, Wellston, Hazelwood, St. Ann, St. Charles, even Ferguson. Look them up, all were white neighborhoods that ended up in the gutter when too many black folks moved in. So there's that.

As for gun laws targeting black people? Do your homework. The Mulford Act was enacted for the VERY REASON of keeping guns out of the hands of black people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

http://www.npr.org/2016/01/11/462698262/for-some-african-americans-gun-ownership-underscores-segregated-past

BATES: After that, the state's shocked lawmakers made carrying loaded firearms illegal. And in 1968, after several urban riots, the Federal Gun Control Act was passed, which attempted to ban the sale of cheap handguns.

ROBERT COTTROL: One of the problems, I think, that we have in places like Chicago, New York, Washington, D.C. is we make it very difficult - in some cases almost impossible - for the individual who is law-abiding, who is peaceful, to defend himself.

Or you can take Lib's word for it, since he posted a thread about it. Which was funny since I said the EXACT same thing before and was ridiculed for it. http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/585698-no-guns-for-negroes/

Gun laws in urban areas are extremely restricted, and yet those areas have the highest body count. Even when Illinois started opening up gun ownership, guess which group of people were denied, even though they had no records? I'll give you a hint, it wasn't the white applicants. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-07-04/news/ct-concealed-carry-rejection-20140706_1_michael-thomas-application-illinois-state-police

This isn't some big secret. And the fact that every single weekend we lose about 20 people on average in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Oakland, etc. just drives my point home. It's insulting that my personal experience with this makes you call me a liar because my reality doesn't line up with your rose colored idea that black people aren't systematically being wiped out. Why you think we live out here in Hawaii? Janelle won't let us move back because she's genuinely afraid for our lives. She grew up in Memphis and saw it worse than what I'm telling you now. But why come here and share that? So you can call her a liar as well? What would it take to convince you?

[JayJayH 546]

Sigh. Let me break this down for you since you refuse to accept reality:

This isn't some big secret. And the fact that every single weekend we lose about 20 people on average in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Oakland, etc. just drives my point home. It's insulting that my personal experience with this makes you call me a liar because my reality doesn't line up with your rose colored idea that black people aren't systematically being wiped out. Why you think we live out here in Hawaii? Janelle won't let us move back because she's genuinely afraid for our lives. She grew up in Memphis and saw it worse than what I'm telling you now. But why come here and share that? So you can call her a liar as well? What would it take to convince you?

I have no doubts that you are being truthful, and calling people liars brings the discussion nowhere. Keep sharing.

That being said, I never think it's a good idea to base actual policy on subjectivity, which is why people tend to ignore personal stories unless the story agrees with their narrative. It's a little like when you're giving immigration advice starting with "I know a guy who..." . Someone can always say "that's not my experience, therefore.." It's hard to dispute someone's personal experiences. It's easier to dispute statistics. My personal experience as a minority (white man) in Waianae or Nanakuli would lead me to conclude that Hawaii is a much more racist place than the Mainland - That's probably not true from most perspectives, but it's all relative.

Incredible claims however, demand incredible evidence. I have yet to see any evidence that black people are being systematically wiped out. If that was the case, then "the system" is doing a terrible job. The number of black Americans has steadily grown as proportion of the population, while the number of non-Hispanic white Americans have shrunk proportionally.

Edited August 2, 2016 by JayJayH

[OriZ 3,157]

I have no doubts that you are being truthful, and calling people liars brings the discussion nowhere. Keep sharing.

That being said, I never think it's a good idea to base actual policy on subjectivity, which is why people tend to ignore personal stories unless the story agrees with their narrative. It's a little like when you're giving immigration advice starting with "I know a guy who..." . Someone can always say "that's not my experience, therefore.." It's hard to dispute someone's personal experiences. It's easier to dispute statistics. My personal experience as a minority (white man) in Waianae or Nanakuli would lead me to conclude that Hawaii is a much more racist place than the Mainland - That's probably not true from most perspectives, but it's all relative.

Incredible claims however, demand incredible evidence. I have yet to see any evidence that black people are being systematically wiped out. If that was the case, then "the system" is doing a terrible job. The number of black Americans has steadily grown as proportion of the population, while the number of non-Hispanic white Americans have shrunk proportionally.

You know, I hear that alot, about Hawaii being racist. So it was interesting to see you bring that up as well. Easy to say it is not, though, when you're on the other end of it this time.

I also do not think black people are being systematically wiped out. Does racism and prejudice exist in the world and in the US? Well of course, not only against blacks. No one has argued that that is not the case, but the extent in which some try to portrary it, in this forum and in rl, and all the videos, most of which end up being an epic failure on their part, is usually a pretty far cry from reality if you ask me.

[JayJayH 546]

You know, I hear that alot, about Hawaii being racist. So it was interesting to see you bring that up as well. Easy to say it is not, though, when you're on the other end of it this time.

I also do not think black people are being systematically wiped out. Does racism and prejudice exist in the world and in the US? Well of course, not only against blacks. No one has argued that that is not the case, but the extent in which some try to portrary it, in this forum and in rl, and all the videos, most of which end up being an epic failure on their part, is usually a pretty far cry from reality if you ask me.

It is what it is. For the absolute most part, I rarely ever experience anything, and never in Honolulu. People here are some of the most laid back, warmest and most welcoming people I've ever met, anywhere - And you can't really help but notice how relatively little tension there is. If you go to more rural parts of the islands, it can be more obvious. There are historical reasons for this - Which is why, amusingly, you'll often hear otherwise ideologically pure "anti-racist" liberals tell you that "racism is never ok, but.." in those circumstances.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has written about it.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/hawaii-suffering-racial-prejudice

I agree. According to some sources and clickbait websites, you could get the impression that America in 2016 is comparable to Rwanda anno 1994. Frankly, we're probable the one country in the world where racial equality overall has come farthest. Which is different from saying complete equality has been reached.

Edited August 3, 2016 by JayJayH

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I have no doubts that you are being truthful, and calling people liars brings the discussion nowhere. Keep sharing.

That being said, I never think it's a good idea to base actual policy on subjectivity, which is why people tend to ignore personal stories unless the story agrees with their narrative. It's a little like when you're giving immigration advice starting with "I know a guy who..." . Someone can always say "that's not my experience, therefore.." It's hard to dispute someone's personal experiences. It's easier to dispute statistics. My personal experience as a minority (white man) in Waianae or Nanakuli would lead me to conclude that Hawaii is a much more racist place than the Mainland - That's probably not true from most perspectives, but it's all relative.

Incredible claims however, demand incredible evidence. I have yet to see any evidence that black people are being systematically wiped out. If that was the case, then "the system" is doing a terrible job. The number of black Americans has steadily grown as proportion of the population, while the number of non-Hispanic white Americans have shrunk proportionally.

As I've been to Waianae,(our kids had a sports day out there) I know why you think this. White people here are kind of (not really, but since you're not treated that way back home) treated like we are back on the mainland. The cops leave us alone, we get good customer service, and the only crazy looks I get are from the white people on vacation. I still get the you're not ghetto comment every now and then here, but no where near as bad as when we were back home.

It's not really incredible when you look at everything. The Tuskegee Experiment, the flooding of our neighborhoods with drugs, the war on drugs, which led to men and women doing 30 years for selling weed(seen murderers get less time), school to prison pipeline, no guns in the places where you need them, police are literally shooting us even with our hands in the air and laying flat on our backs, laws passed to protect said police(bc they need more than life in prison or the death penalty), schools that are so bad the prisons are an upgrade, Flint MI, etc.

The only thing missing is the KKK dragging our dead bodies through the streets. It's happening, the only difference is some of it is of our own fault, and it's going slower.

You know, I hear that alot, about Hawaii being racist. So it was interesting to see you bring that up as well. Easy to say it is not, though, when you're on the other end of it this time.

I also do not think black people are being systematically wiped out. Does racism and prejudice exist in the world and in the US? Well of course, not only against blacks. No one has argued that that is not the case, but the extent in which some try to portrary it, in this forum and in rl, and all the videos, most of which end up being an epic failure on their part, is usually a pretty far cry from reality if you ask me.

So Oriz, which extent is it happening in? Since I'm clearly misinformed about my own reality.

[JayJayH 546]

As I've been to Waianae,(our kids had a sports day out there) I know why you think this. White people here are kind of (not really, but since you're not treated that way back home) treated like we are back on the mainland. The cops leave us alone, we get good customer service, and the only crazy looks I get are from the white people on vacation. I still get the you're not ghetto comment every now and then here, but no where near as bad as when we were back home.

It's not really incredible when you look at everything. The Tuskegee Experiment, the flooding of our neighborhoods with drugs, the war on drugs, which led to men and women doing 30 years for selling weed(seen murderers get less time), school to prison pipeline, no guns in the places where you need them, police are literally shooting us even with our hands in the air and laying flat on our backs, laws passed to protect said police(bc they need more than life in prison or the death penalty), schools that are so bad the prisons are an upgrade, Flint MI, etc.

The only thing missing is the KKK dragging our dead bodies through the streets. It's happening, the only difference is some of it is of our own fault, and it's going slower.

So Oriz, which extent is it happening in? Since I'm clearly misinformed about my own reality.

Again, historically you could easily make the argument that oppression of black Americans was systematic and even a goal, particularly in the south. That of course didn't change overnight in 1964, but I really have a hard time seeing how the war on drugs was a deliberate, systematic effort to wipe out black Americans. While black communities suffered disproportionately, it's not like whites or Hispanics didn't receive preposterous sentences either. The war on drugs has been a complete failure, but an intentional, genocidal effort..?

http://clemencyreport.org/top-10-outrageous-marijuana-sentences/

Some of the many ridiculous sentences for pot.

What has been shown time and a gain is that in the U.S. people who can afford good lawyers walk free significantly more often than people who get stuck with overworked, underpaid public defenders. You keep saying "white people walk free" - Very few white people get the affluenza treatment that Ethan Couch got.

There is a clear correlation between poverty and crime, whether you're black, white, Hispanic or Asian. Asian Americans however have the highest average incomes in America, and have the lowest incarceration rates. Black Americans have the lowest average incomes and the highest incarceration rates. I have no issue seeing how slavery, discrimination, voter suppression and institutionalized racism have all contributed to this, but I do have a problem pinpointing exactly which government agency today is systematically oppressing black people. The cumulative sum of all local police departments? The Dept of Education? Dept of Energy?

Majority Hispanic school districts in Los Angeles often rank far below most other school districts, but this, more often than not coincides with higher crime rates and low property values in those areas, not a systematic effort by the City of LA or State of California to oppress Hispanic Americans. I would imagine the same being true in New Orleans, St. Louis and Chicago. I think a more logical explanation would be that Hispanic children in parts of Los Angeles disproportionately have parents without legal immigration status (thus lower wages), while many black neighborhoods still suffer economically from historical oppression.

Show me a government institution today that treats black people as second class citizens, and I'll fight it with you. Ferguson PD needed a major overhaul.

Edited August 3, 2016 by JayJayH

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Oddly enough we hear from the same poverty pimps that we pump drugs into the black community to destroy black lives and the war to stop them is a plot to destroy black people.

Basically any failures of black society is the fault of white people

[OriZ 3,157]

It is what it is. For the absolute most part, I rarely ever experience anything, and never in Honolulu. People here are some of the most laid back, warmest and most welcoming people I've ever met, anywhere - And you can't really help but notice how relatively little tension there is. If you go to more rural parts of the islands, it can be more obvious. There are historical reasons for this - Which is why, amusingly, you'll often hear otherwise ideologically pure "anti-racist" liberals tell you that "racism is never ok, but.." in those circumstances.

The Southern Poverty Law Center has written about it.

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/hawaii-suffering-racial-prejudice

I agree. According to some sources and clickbait websites, you could get the impression that America in 2016 is comparable to Rwanda anno 1994. Frankly, we're probable the one country in the world where racial equality overall has come farthest. Which is different from saying complete equality has been reached.

Agreed, America is probably one of the least racist countries in the world today(many European countries, as well as some Muslim countries, and even some Asian countries are easily more racist). Obviously that's not to say racism doesn't exist or that there is complete equality, but there never will be, not here nor anywhere else. Yes, they will say "racism is never ok". "except for this this and that", if it suits the agenda that day.

So Oriz, which extent is it happening in? Since I'm clearly misinformed about my own reality.

Clearly. As I've said before, to no further extent than any other racism/prejudice against any other minority/race/religion.

Edited August 3, 2016 by OriZ

[OriZ 3,157]

Oddly enough we hear from the same poverty pimps that we pump drugs into the black community to destroy black lives and the war to stop them is a plot to destroy black people.

Basically any failures of black society is the fault of white people

If you carefully listen to some of what is said you can easily get the impression we walk around with horns on our head all day.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Again, historically you could easily make the argument that oppression of black Americans was systematic and even a goal, particularly in the south. That of course didn't change overnight in 1964, but I really have a hard time seeing how the war on drugs was a deliberate, systematic effort to wipe out black Americans. While black communities suffered disproportionately, it's not like whites or Hispanics didn't receive preposterous sentences either. The war on drugs has been a complete failure, but an intentional, genocidal effort..?

http://clemencyreport.org/top-10-outrageous-marijuana-sentences/

Some of the many ridiculous sentences for pot.

What has been shown time and a gain is that in the U.S. people who can afford good lawyers walk free significantly more often than people who get stuck with overworked, underpaid public defenders. You keep saying "white people walk free" - Very few white people get the affluenza treatment that Ethan Couch got.

There is a clear correlation between poverty and crime, whether you're black, white, Hispanic or Asian. Asian Americans however have the highest average incomes in America, and have the lowest incarceration rates. Black Americans have the lowest average incomes and the highest incarceration rates. I have no issue seeing how slavery, discrimination, voter suppression and institutionalized racism have all contributed to this, but I do have a problem pinpointing exactly which government agency today is systematically oppressing black people. The cumulative sum of all local police departments? The Dept of Education? Dept of Energy?

Majority Hispanic school districts in Los Angeles often rank far below most other school districts, but this, more often than not coincides with higher crime rates and low property values in those areas, not a systematic effort by the City of LA or State of California to oppress Hispanic Americans. I would imagine the same being true in New Orleans, St. Louis and Chicago. I think a more logical explanation would be that Hispanic children in parts of Los Angeles disproportionately have parents without legal immigration status (thus lower wages), while many black neighborhoods still suffer economically from historical oppression.

Show me a government institution today that treats black people as second class citizens, and I'll fight it with you. Ferguson PD needed a major overhaul.

And that's where the insidious lies. It's no longer in the open like in the 1960's. Which is why it's so hard to prove for the masses. White people and some POC don't want to see what's going on beneath the surface, since they really think things are going great.

Well, where to start? First and foremost, you have more than a few reports that show that PD's are rife corruption, which is nothing new, but alarming when you see how they target black people.

http://www.mintpressnews.com/leaked-documents-show-alabama-police-department-planted-drugs-on-black-men-for-years/211745/

Not to mention the reports that Ferguson, Baltimore, Chicago PD's have been straight up caught with evidence of racial misconduct against black people for God knows how long.

In North Carolina, they just uncovered the districts there are targeting black people in voting, by finding out how we vote, and getting rid of each and every measure that we use to vote.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/

“Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General Assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans,” Motz wrote. “Although the new provisions target African Americans with almost surgical precision, they constitute inapt remedies for the problems assertedly justifying them and, in fact, impose cures for problems that did not exist.”

Crazy huh? They went after us specifically to stop our votes. I wonder how much this goes on in other states.

The last thing is the DLOE that is shown to black people in any situation. Folks do # places like France and Orlando, but let's get real. We lose more than that in a single weekend. It should be #St.Louis, #Baltimore, #Memphis, #Chicago. Hell, an entire town was infected with lead poison but how many #Flint did you see? Even when it was posted here, the only response was apathy and disrespect for a bunch of black people dealing with a crisis.

So a government conspiracy to wipe us out? Hard to prove. But all of this, and the pure lack of empathy or the straight up hate we receive for just being here kind of proves my point. Don't get me started on sports and rap music.

Agreed, America is probably one of the least racist countries in the world today(many European countries, as well as some Muslim countries, and even some Asian countries are easily more racist). Obviously that's not to say racism doesn't exist or that there is complete equality, but there never will be, not here nor anywhere else. Yes, they will say "racism is never ok". "except for this this and that", if it suits the agenda that day.

Clearly. As I've said before, to no further extent than any other racism/prejudice against any other minority/race/religion.

Tell you what, let's go ####### for tat. I'll name something and then you show me the exact same thing going on for any other race, cool?

Okay go:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Oddly enough we hear from the same poverty pimps that we pump drugs into the black community to destroy black lives and the war to stop them is a plot to destroy black people.

Basically any failures of black society is the fault of white people

Never said that, but to ignore what's going on is part of the problem.

If you carefully listen to some of what is said you can easily get the impression we walk around with horns on our head all day.

Why do you think you're a part of this? Don't you identify as Jewish man from Isreal? How long have you lived here in the US? What part do you play?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1. At least you admit that black neighborhoods having more crime is a fact. Now, if you truly want to see that change, stop trying to blame the police or whites for this phenomenon. People have to accept responsibility for their own actions. The only way to better oneself is to do whatever it takes to move up and out of a bad neighborhood/situation, or to at least make a stand to make things better. But in all neighborhoods that suffer from excess crime, the one common denominator is a group of people who are uneducated and uncaring for the value of other people. I don't get how you can blame it on (whites/racism/cops) others when by your own statement, neighborhoods go to hell when "too many black folks moved in". Surely you can see that it's not the blacks causing the problem, nor the whites? It's the folks who hold no concern for the value of life or others' property.

2. If blacks were "systematically being wiped out", as you put it, then why has the black population in American done nothing but increase over time?

3. You're in Hawaii because that's where you accepted a job offer and have an employer who was willing to move you there for free. And now that you're there, you may find that you cannot afford to move back to the mainland. It's expensive to live there, for sure, but even more expensive to leave, unless you have an employer willing to pay the costs for you. No doubt, there are bad places to live, no matter your skin color. But there's a simple solution for that... Move. Find a better place. The blacks where I live don't live in fear, they are happy where they are. When I was younger and lived in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood, I was scared, a lot. And after a while, my parents listened and we moved to a better place. Not as soon as I wanted, but as soon as they could afford to do it.

And while I am happy for you that you are not experiencing as much racism in Hawaii, it is inaccurate to say that racism doesn't exist there. It does. Primarily towards whites, less towards blacks, but in the grand scheme of things, we are all Haoles in their eyes.

1. First, the black neighborhoods have more crime is a fact? How do I know this? Because I've lived it. I moved to a neighborhood that was almost entirely white. We were one of the first black families to be accepted there. It was clean and safe. The cops patrolled daily and you could walk every where without worrying about any crime. This changed the more black people moved into the area. I'm talking middle class hard working families. By the time I was in high school, the shift was noticeable. Police cars were no longer around as much, the streets were starting to have trash piled up on the corner, the neighborhood park was left to rot, and the property value of the houses were in decline. When I joined the military and came back after 7 months of training, we had bars on our windows, an alarm system installed, and I was warned about being out at night. The cops were non existent and going to the store was a risk because drug dealers had moved in and were selling right on the corners(one of them my mom used to teach in grade school, that's how close it was). And it's not just there, Jennings, Wellston, Hazelwood, St. Ann, St. Charles, even Ferguson. Look them up, all were white neighborhoods that ended up in the gutter when too many black folks moved in. So there's that.

2. This isn't some big secret. And the fact that every single weekend we lose about 20 people on average in Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Oakland, etc. just drives my point home. It's insulting that my personal experience with this makes you call me a liar because my reality doesn't line up with your rose colored idea that black people aren't systematically being wiped out.

3.Why you think we live out here in Hawaii? Janelle won't let us move back because she's genuinely afraid for our lives. She grew up in Memphis and saw it worse than what I'm telling you now. But why come here and share that? So you can call her a liar as well? What would it take to convince you?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

So are you saying that we shouldn't require an ID for folks to vote? If that is the case, why not? Should blacks be allowed to drive a car without a license? To get married without one? To cash a check without one? I mean, we have to have an ID for SO MANY things in our daily lives, why not to vote? Want to buy a gun? Have to have an ID. Want to buy alcohol, a house, or get a job? Gotta have an ID. What about getting on an airplane? Renting a hotel room? Renting a car? Or getting a fishing license? All of these mundane things require an ID of some sort, typically a driver's license.

Why should voting NOT require an ID? The only benefit I can see for NOT having in ID to vote is that voter fraud will remain easier for corrupt politicians.

Tell you what, let's go ####### for tat. I'll name something and then you show me the exact same thing going on for any other race, cool?

Okay go:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/

[OriZ 3,157]

So a government conspiracy to wipe us out? Hard to prove. But all of this, and the pure lack of empathy or the straight up hate we receive for just being here kind of proves my point. Don't get me started on sports and rap music.

Nahhhh, you get that for trying to shove the same old, same old, tired thing, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, down people's throat that don't want it down their throat. It's really that simple.

Tell you what, let's go ####### for tat. I'll name something and then you show me the exact same thing going on for any other race, cool?

Okay go:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/north-carolina-voting-rights-law/493649/

Tell ya what, I'll make it easier for you since I have already posted on this numerous times, I'd say this horse has not only been beaten to a pulp, but it's now buried, rained on, snowed on, frozen solid, thawed and now has lilies coming out of its dead ###. I mean seriously, what is it with forgetting everything about previous conversations every time and trying to get people to sit here all night, go "####### for tat" in a silly waste-of-time game. Serious question. I've posted on this here and in other places:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/593978-corbyn-finally-suspends-muslim-labour-mp-who-said-israel-should-be-relocated-to-the-us/?p=8213129

And this is just a small sample. Now add others, too, not just Jews. Black people are not special. Some of them are treated good, some of them are treated bad, just like the rest of us.

Never said that, but to ignore what's going on is part of the problem.

Why do you think you're a part of this? Don't you identify as Jewish man from Isreal? How long have you lived here in the US? What part do you play?

Being a Jewish man from Israel has nothing to do with it. I see myself as an American. I've spent a good 25% of my life in the US. And, I'm considered white believe it or not:

The Census Bureau defines White people as follows: "White" refers to a person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East or North Africa. It includes people who indicated their race(s) as "White" or reported entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Arab, Moroccan or Caucasian.

Yes, when I, say, go to the hospital here, or anywhere else where they need to know your race, since Jewish is not a race, and I am not from Africa, or Asia, etc, but from the Middle East(and Europe), being jewish doesn't change the fact that for all intents and purposes I am considered white. But before all that, I'm just a person. A person who happens to not be black so yeah it has alot to do with me when "we" all seem to be labeled as devils with horns.

Edited August 3, 2016 by OriZ

[OriZ 3,157]

So are you saying that we shouldn't require an ID for folks to vote? If that is the case, why not? Should blacks be allowed to drive a car without a license? To get married without one? To cash a check without one? I mean, we have to have an ID for SO MANY things in our daily lives, why not to vote? Want to buy a gun? Have to have an ID. Want to buy alcohol, a house, or get a job? Gotta have an ID. What about getting on an airplane? Renting a hotel room? Renting a car? Or getting a fishing license? All of these mundane things require an ID of some sort, typically a driver's license.

Why should voting NOT require an ID? The only benefit I can see for NOT having in ID to vote is that voter fraud will remain easier for corrupt politicians.

It is ridiculous to vote without an ID. Absolutely ridiculous. Anyway, I gave him like 8-9 links to go over. If he actually seriously does that(which won't happen), it could take quite a while.