Trump on black supporter: 'Look at my African-American over here'

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Waffling between positions will keep you in the middle of the road

[Jacque67 7,328]

Waffling between positions will keep you in the middle of the road

Sounds boring, whatever.

[Rob L 3,811]

[OriZ 3,157]

omg poor kitty don't look too happy

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

These two get it

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Diamond and Silk have listening comprehension deficits.

Donald Drumpf addressed the "African American" in the crowd with a pronoun "my" making his statement news worthy. Stumping for Drumpf is a job for folks who like to not get it, and the first things they don't get are the facts.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Diamond and Silk have listening comprehension deficits.

Donald Drumpf addressed the "African American" in the crowd with a pronoun "my" making his statement news worthy. Stumping for Drumpf is a job for folks who like to not get it, and the first things they don't get are the facts.

Great post. Plus 100

[eieio 1,594]

I can't bother to read all the drivel, but it turns out trumps African actually is saying that crooked Hillary is the racist...not trump.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Waffling between positions will keep you in the middle of the road

...I don't think that's how it works. It means you stand for nothing.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686The Myths of Black Lives Matter

e movement has won over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But what if its claims are fiction?

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PHOTO: MARK MAKELA/GETTY IMAGES

By

HEATHER MAC DONALD

Feb. 11, 2016 7:08 p.m. ET

1403 COMMENTS

A television ad for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign now airing in South Carolina shows the candidate declaring that “too many encounters with law enforcement end tragically.” She later adds: “We have to face up to the hard truth of injustice and systemic racism.”

Her Democratic presidential rival, Bernie Sanders, met with the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders then tweeted that “As President, let me be very clear that no one will fight harder to end racism and reform our broken criminal justice system than I will.” And he appeared on the TV talk show “The View” saying, “It is not acceptable to see unarmed people being shot by police officers.”

Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

So let me see if I got this straight. Let's use you for an example. You live in Texas.

Neighbor A & B live in California. Neighbor A gets into an argument with Neighbor B and neighbor B kills neighbor A. They are orange.

Later on, your daughter goes to the store in Texas and is pulled over by the police. The officer asks for her wallet and when she reaches for it she is shot 3 times. It's ok because Neighbor B shot Neighbor A in California and someone mentions orange on orange crime rates as a justification for shooting your non-violent, compliant daughter.

Dylan Roof goes on a shooting spree and kills orange people in church and gets arrested without incident, they stop him at Burger King before he goes to jail.Dylan is blue green. That same week another blue green man goes to the airport with a semi automatic weapon and is asked politely to leave, he isn't shot nor arrested.

Gang C decides to shoot at Gang D in Florida. They are orange.

Later on you go to the store to check out some unloaded shotguns at Walmart. Because you are orange someone calls the police on you and you are shot. This is justified because Gang D shot Gang C in Florida, but you live in Texas.

So, you are saying is if these things happened to you, you would be ok with them because you are somehow responsible for what some other people did that you have no idea about, while other people of other colors commit crimes and somehow it is always that own individual's actions?

I see now I need to just stop talking to you. You make no sense and ignorance clouds your judgment,

[Donald Trump 8]

These two get it

Pretty spot on, Kinda loud but they do make valid points

Obama, this fool whole game has to be apologize to the rest of the world for US being a super power. Disgusting

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I can't bother to read all the drivel, but it turns out trumps African actually is saying that crooked Hillary is the racist...not trump.

Are you saying that trump (I prefer Drumpf but pretty sure that not capitalizing makes toddler hands just as angry) owns an African?

[JayJayH 546]

I'll address each of your points:

ALM and Blue Lives matter is in fact racist. I'll show you how. ALM was created for the specific point of stopping BLM. If you look at their Twitter, they don't protest anything outside of trolling BLM or black people as a whole. In fact, when Zach Taylor was killed by the police, ALM was quiet as kept, while BLM took up the mantle of protesting his death. And Blue Lives matter is worse. Why? Because if you kill a cop, you're going to jail or getting the death sentence. Period. There is no self defense or I feared for my life. If I killed a cop in self defense, with video evidence and witnesses, and I'm white, there's good chance I could be acquitted. I'm black, with the same paramaters in place, my chances drop -100%. We've seen it time and time again. Video that completely shows the cops have flat out lied about how the encounter went down, and they still walk. Hell, if no video was present, Laquan McDonald's family would have never known about what really went down, or the fact they covered it up, doctored evidence, and hid video tapes that showed what really happened. And I don't think that cop even went to jail. Or that guy that had evidence planted on him after he was killed, etc...

(1) It appears that whenever black people show a sign of love or strength for ourselves, some white people take it as an insult towards them as a whole. BLM has NEVER been about putting our lives over anyone else's. It's always been about our lives matter just as much as the rest of you. I've seen folks say black women are beautiful, only for someone to run in and say all women are beautiful, stop being racist.

As for your other issues, I'm curious as to why you think BLM should be addressing this. Personally, I think those issues should be dealt with by the people. But look at them shall we? Look at black schools, the ones where no heat and running water are abound. Where the teachers don't give two ##### about the lesson plan and aren't being paid enough. My mother was a teacher for over 40 years, trust me, black schools are almost as bad if not worse than prisons. But no one wants to talk about that. Single parent homes? Take a look at the welfare system that displaces the black male out of the home, not to mention getting a job out here having a black name doesn't help either. We're seen studies that showing being black w/o a criminal record puts you on ALMOST on par with white people with a criminal record. And for the crime rate? (2) That's easy, black neighborhoods are victims of crime since police have made it known they don't care and criminals can move in at will. Not to mention gun laws that keep lawful black citizens unarmed while the animals run wild and free, killing at will. (3) That's why mostly black neighborhoods have the most strict gun control and a high body count, they want us to kill each other. And having black people in charge really doesn't help if they don't have the funds/support to actually make a change. That's why it's irritating that folks think President Obama was going to magically fix Chicago because he was black. It's been a war zone for over 20 years.

TBF, there are issues we do need to address within our own community. I think rap/hip hop has contributed to the way we treat our women, non-conformity holds us back, and we're too busy trying to keep elements that shouldn't be kept. Sports and music have mentally enslaved our youth into thinking it's the only way out. The N-word needs to go away, and all of this in-fighting about light/dark skin needs to stop. We're helping ourselves in our own oppression. Black men need to step up and be leaders and fathers.

The reason there's a distinct lack of intellectual diversity is simply because people don't want to talk about ALL of the issues. Black folks want to blame racism for everything(it's the basis of the majority of it, but like I said, we're also contributing to it with our foolery). White folks ONLY want to talk about the issues that they're not responsible for(they want us to fix ourselves first, and still survive in a system that's inherently biased against us.) Because let's face it, at no point in US history, have we been on the same level as white people. (4) And the reason BLM gets rowdy? Because watching our people get killed on national tv with video and witnesses gets no sympathy, and the cops either walk or get paltry jail time. We are consistently blamed for our own mistreatment/death. We sit back and watch white people go on shooting sprees with a double digit body count and get arrested with no harm to their person, while black people are gunned down for reaching for a wallet, running, or even just asking why they're being arrested. The double standard is so obvious, but we're told we have to somehow reverse decades of mistreatment AND still live in it. No one wants to level the playing field, they just want us to play the game while it's still rigged against us.

I'm all for the conversation about these things since I have kids who have to grow up and live it. But if we're going to talk, it all needs to be on the table.

You bring up a lot of good points, and I agree with almost everything you say.

First, let me be clear in that I think it is fully possible to support BLM's cause, while denouncing the BLM movement. I support the cause, I don't think BLM is the way forward. I think the only way to actually solve anything is broad support, and BLM's popular support has only shrunk.

1. I really don't think it's as much about "some white people" taking insult. I think it's more about terrible strategy from BLM's side. The BLM movement politicized, and it politicized quickly. I was sympathetic to the BLM movement after Ferguson - My only skepticism was using Michael Brown as a martyr. He didn't deserve to die, but he really didn't deserve martyr status either. My main problem with BLM started when they became synonymous (willingly or not) with a broader social justice movement that has become increasingly anti-white in its rhetoric. This isn't to say that BLM is anti-white per se, but the rhetoric from the far left in recent years has been. In the beginning, BLM had broad support, Tea Party darling Rand Paul even wanted to do a joint forum with them. I'm still sympathetic to the cause, but I'm no way seeing how BlackLivesMatter in its current form helps the cause. Rather, it has become a divisive organization. For example, their shutdown of Milo Yiannopoulos' speech at DePaul University was nothing short of disgraceful, whether you agree with Milo or not.

2. I don't agree that it's as easy as that. Socioeconomically disadvantaged neighborhoods are statistically more ravaged by crime no matter what ethnicity forms the majority in those neighborhoods. I do think black people are owed something in this country, and I have no problem acknowledging that poverty in black communities today is a result of injustices in the past. While I'm sure some police departments are ridden with bad culture, the statement that police in general "don't care" and let crimes go on freely is a pretty bold statement. I think a more accurate assessment would be that crime-ridden neighborhoods are far more difficult to police. That's true whether those neighborhoods are infested with bloods, crips, MS13, Asian gangs or white biker gangs. Ultimately, many black neighborhoods are more socioeconomically disadvantaged for historical reasons, thus they statistically have higher crime rates, and thus they are far more challenging to police.

3. I'm sorry, but D.C., Chicago, Baltimore, Oakland and Detroit don't have strict gun laws because they're majority black. They have strict gun laws because they're run by Democrats.

4. As I've said before, I support the cause, not the BlackLivesMatter movement in its current form. Not because I think you shouldn't protest, but because I think the way BLM protests actually hurts the cause in its divisiveness.

Edited August 1, 2016 by JayJayH

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I'd be willing to bet the guy referred to in the OP has never even stepped foot in Africa.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

This has got to be one of the most ignorant things I have seen you say here on CEHST. Black neighborhoods have more crime because criminals move in at will? And which gun law(s) prohibit "lawful black citizens" from purchasing a gun? I'd like you to provide a link to such a law, because I don't believe one exists at all, I think you are just making that up.

How is it that "strict gun control for blacks" causes higher body counts in predominantly black neighborhoods, because "they" want you to kill each other?? Who is "they"? Are not those higher body counts in black neighborhoods being caused by blacks with guns & knives who care not for other humans' rights and lives? Are you saying that blacks don't care about the lives of others of their own skin tone?

Those words all together in those sentences make no sense at all. But I look forward to a further explanation so we can better understand your plight.

And for the crime rate? That's easy, black neighborhoods are victims of crime since police have made it known they don't care and criminals can move in at will. Not to mention gun laws that keep lawful black citizens unarmed while the animals run wild and free, killing at will. That's why mostly black neighborhoods have the most strict gun control and a high body count, they want us to kill each other.[]/b] And having black people in charge really doesn't help if they don't have the funds/support to actually make a change. That's why it's irritating that folks think President Obama was going to magically fix Chicago because he was black. It's been a war zone for over 20 years.