Trump on black supporter: 'Look at my African-American over here'

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Are you reflecting upon your noble roots?

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My problem with BLM isn't the protesting of police brutality per se, but rather the methods used. I supported BLM when Freddie Gray was placed in the back of a van in Baltimore and died of a back injury. Protesting genuine cases of police brutality had broad support, even among most libertarian groups on the right.

When I stopped supporting BLM was when uttering the phrase "All Lives Matter" somehow became a racist statement. Or Blue Lives Matter. I understand some may have used it to dismiss the movement, but people were forced to resign and apologize for this. That's not a PR move. Or when BLM protesters began demanding sentencing of officers found to have acted in self-defense, with no real evidence to the contrary,

Only an assumption of "rigged system!" Or when statistics showing more unarmed whites are shot than blacks were dismissed as "not a problem." Or when police brutality began being portrayed as an inherently racist problem of whites oppressing blacks.

No mention of the fact that officers charged for the murder of Freddie Gray were black, in a majority black city, with a black police chief and black mayor in a country with a black president. The narrative was still "unarmed black teenager shot by white officer." That doesn't mean it's not always a racist problem, but it does mean that it's far from the black and white picture painted by BLM.

And since BLM is the only voice really given a megaphone on this issue in swathes of the media and on college campuses, that's a problem. Particularly when countering the narrative or raising legitimate concerns becomes "racist."

Not once have I heard BLM mention drop-out rates among African-American kids. Not once have I heard BLM mention the proportion of African-American kids growing up in single-parent households. Not once have I heard BLM address crime in Chicago, or the fact that crime rates went up following increased litigation against the police.

Point being, I'm sympathetic to the cause. I've seen black friends pulled over and treated differently than I would have been, both by white, Asian, Hispanic and black officers. I'm frightened by the lack of intellectual diversity surrounding the matter however. It's a real problem, and the methods used by BLM aren't solving it.

Why is blm dominating this thread? Blm was not addressed by trump, this is about his attitudes about race and what is coming out of his heart and mouth. Edited June 8, 2016 by Rob L

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Why is blm dominating this thread? Blm was not addressed by trump, this is about his attitudes about race and what is coming out of his heart and mouth.

The same reason certain posters post #BLM in any thread that has a black person doing something wrong.

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The same reason certain posters post #BLM in any thread that has a black person doing something wrong.

#GLM

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You forgot transphobe and ableist

Oh, yeah , those too.

Are you reflecting upon your noble roots?

Excellent, another nomination for post of the month!!!!!!!

Why is blm dominating this thread? Blm was not addressed by trump, this is about his attitudes about race and what is coming out of his heart and mouth.

Skoolz out!!!

The same reason certain posters post #BLM in any thread that has a black person doing something wrong.

Tedious, isn't it;)

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That might be hilarious if even remotely resembled the truth. In fact the source of the meme posted was from the snopes article calling the meme false!

A snippet of the snopes reads:

ORIGIN:A meme featuring several images of Donald Trump posing with prominent African-Americans was widely circulated on Facebook in May 2016, along with the claim that the real estate mogul was "never once accused of being racist by anyone" until he started his 2016 presidential campaign (and implying that he was being accused of racism purely for the purpose of scoring political points).

However, Trump was accused of racism long before he announced that he was running for president. According to the New York Times, one of Trump's first newspaper appearances was in 1973, when the Trump Management Corporation was sued by the Department of Justice and charged for violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968:

The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals because of race and color,  The Times reported. It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.

Trump was also accused of racism in 1989, when he took out full page ads calling for the return of the death penalty in several New York City newspapers. The ads were published a few weeks after a 28-year-old woman was raped while jogging in Central Park. Five men were arrested for the attack:

They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. I want to hate these murderers and I always will.

The incident stirred racial tensions in the city, with many accusing Trump of adding fuel to the fire. When evidence surfaced in 2002 that would eventually lead to the exoneration of the five men who were charged with rape, protesters criticized Trump for his racially charged rhetoric:

On May 1, 1989, Donald J. Trump took out full-page advertisements in four New York newspapers calling for the return of the death penalty. Mr. Trump said he wanted the ''criminals of every age'' who were accused of beating and raping a jogger in Central Park 12 days earlier ''to be afraid.''

Thirteen years later, as new evidence raises the possibility that the five teenagers convicted in the attack had nothing to do with it, their supporters are focusing some of their fiercest anger at Mr. Trump.

''Trump is a chump!'' protesters shouted during a recent demonstration, accusing Mr. Trump of, at least, further inflaming passions and perhaps tainting the defendants' future jurors. Some called him a racist. Supporters of the Central Park defendants have demanded an apology.

Former employees of Donald Trump have also accused the real estate mogul of racism. John R. O'Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, wrote in his 1991 book Trumped! that Trump frequently used racial slurs:

A book written by one of Donald Trump's former casino executives accuses Trump of calling his biggest gamblers "slobs," of making racial slurs against black people and of being largely ignorant about the casino business.

[...]

O'Donnell described a dinner conversation with Trump in which, he writes, they discussed Trump Plaza's financial executive, who was black. He quoted Trump as saying he never liked the man and believed he was not doing a good job. Trump's conversation is recounted:

"And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

The real estate mogul was also accused of making racist remarks after he testified before the House Native American Affairs Subcommittee in 1993:

"They don't look like Indians to me and they don't look like Indians to Indians," said Donald Trump in words which led to immediate accusations of racism and bigotry. Mr Trump was attacking the tiny tribe of Mashantucket Pequot Indians in Connecticut whose casino, with profits of dollars 1m ( pounds 675m) a day, has just outgrown his own casinos in Atlantic City to become the largest in the United States.

He said: 'It will be the biggest scandal since Al Capone and it will destroy the gambling industry' if the Pequots and members of the 515 other Indian tribes in the US continue to exploit their status as sovereign nations to start casino gambling. Mr Trump, speaking to a Congressional committee, added: 'It's obvious that organised crime is rampant on the Indian reservations.'

The FBI immediately denied that it had any evidence that the mob was moving into gambling on the reservations. In Connecticut the Governor, Lowell Weicker, who signed the deal whereby the Pequots give dollars 113m a year to his state, sprang to the tribe's defence earlier this month, saying he objected more to Mr Trump than he did to casinos. In a rich exchange of insults he said he had come to a 'fast conclusion that we don't need that dirtbag in Connecticut'.

Mr Trump, denying he had meant to cast a slur on American Indians, said the Governor was 'a fat slob who couldn't get elected dog-catcher in Connecticut'. Mr Weicker admitted that he might have been a little tough in his language but then added: 'I can lose weight a lot faster than a bigot can lose bigotry.'

In 1992, Trump lost an appeal to overturn a $200,000 penalty for removing black dealers from the tables at the request of high rollers, and in 1996, 20 African-Americans in Indiana sued Donald Trump, accusing him of reneging on a promise that he would hire largely minorities as his riverboat casino staff.

This isn't a comprehensive list of all the times Donald Trump has been tied to a racially charged incident...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/

Oopsy!

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That might be hilarious if even remotely resembled the truth. In fact the source of the meme posted was from the snopes article calling the meme false!

A snippet of the snopes reads:

ORIGIN:A meme featuring several images of Donald Trump posing with prominent African-Americans was widely circulated on Facebook in May 2016, along with the claim that the real estate mogul was "never once accused of being racist by anyone" until he started his 2016 presidential campaign (and implying that he was being accused of racism purely for the purpose of scoring political points).

However, Trump was accused of racism long before he announced that he was running for president. According to the New York Times, one of Trump's first newspaper appearances was in 1973, when the Trump Management Corporation was sued by the Department of Justice and charged for violating the Fair Housing Act of 1968:

The government contended that Trump Management had refused to rent or negotiate rentals because of race and color,  The Times reported. It also charged that the company had required different rental terms and conditions because of race and that it had misrepresented to blacks that apartments were not available.

Trump was also accused of racism in 1989, when he took out full page ads calling for the return of the death penalty in several New York City newspapers. The ads were published a few weeks after a 28-year-old woman was raped while jogging in Central Park. Five men were arrested for the attack:

They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes. I want to hate these murderers and I always will.

The incident stirred racial tensions in the city, with many accusing Trump of adding fuel to the fire. When evidence surfaced in 2002 that would eventually lead to the exoneration of the five men who were charged with rape, protesters criticized Trump for his racially charged rhetoric:

On May 1, 1989, Donald J. Trump took out full-page advertisements in four New York newspapers calling for the return of the death penalty. Mr. Trump said he wanted the ''criminals of every age'' who were accused of beating and raping a jogger in Central Park 12 days earlier ''to be afraid.''

Thirteen years later, as new evidence raises the possibility that the five teenagers convicted in the attack had nothing to do with it, their supporters are focusing some of their fiercest anger at Mr. Trump.

''Trump is a chump!'' protesters shouted during a recent demonstration, accusing Mr. Trump of, at least, further inflaming passions and perhaps tainting the defendants' future jurors. Some called him a racist. Supporters of the Central Park defendants have demanded an apology.

Former employees of Donald Trump have also accused the real estate mogul of racism. John R. O'Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino, wrote in his 1991 book Trumped! that Trump frequently used racial slurs:

A book written by one of Donald Trump's former casino executives accuses Trump of calling his biggest gamblers "slobs," of making racial slurs against black people and of being largely ignorant about the casino business.

[...]

O'Donnell described a dinner conversation with Trump in which, he writes, they discussed Trump Plaza's financial executive, who was black. He quoted Trump as saying he never liked the man and believed he was not doing a good job. Trump's conversation is recounted:

"And isn't it funny. I've got black accountants at Trump Castle and Trump Plaza. Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. . . . I think the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control."

The real estate mogul was also accused of making racist remarks after he testified before the House Native American Affairs Subcommittee in 1993:

"They don't look like Indians to me and they don't look like Indians to Indians," said Donald Trump in words which led to immediate accusations of racism and bigotry. Mr Trump was attacking the tiny tribe of Mashantucket Pequot Indians in Connecticut whose casino, with profits of dollars 1m ( pounds 675m) a day, has just outgrown his own casinos in Atlantic City to become the largest in the United States.

He said: 'It will be the biggest scandal since Al Capone and it will destroy the gambling industry' if the Pequots and members of the 515 other Indian tribes in the US continue to exploit their status as sovereign nations to start casino gambling. Mr Trump, speaking to a Congressional committee, added: 'It's obvious that organised crime is rampant on the Indian reservations.'

The FBI immediately denied that it had any evidence that the mob was moving into gambling on the reservations. In Connecticut the Governor, Lowell Weicker, who signed the deal whereby the Pequots give dollars 113m a year to his state, sprang to the tribe's defence earlier this month, saying he objected more to Mr Trump than he did to casinos. In a rich exchange of insults he said he had come to a 'fast conclusion that we don't need that dirtbag in Connecticut'.

Mr Trump, denying he had meant to cast a slur on American Indians, said the Governor was 'a fat slob who couldn't get elected dog-catcher in Connecticut'. Mr Weicker admitted that he might have been a little tough in his language but then added: 'I can lose weight a lot faster than a bigot can lose bigotry.'

In 1992, Trump lost an appeal to overturn a $200,000 penalty for removing black dealers from the tables at the request of high rollers, and in 1996, 20 African-Americans in Indiana sued Donald Trump, accusing him of reneging on a promise that he would hire largely minorities as his riverboat casino staff.

This isn't a comprehensive list of all the times Donald Trump has been tied to a racially charged incident...

http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/

Oopsy!

Snopes LOL. The most opinionated liberal in the tank supposed fact finder. Very biased people

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686The Myths of Black Lives Matter

e movement has won over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But what if its claims are fiction?

ENLARGE

PHOTO: MARK MAKELA/GETTY IMAGES

By

HEATHER MAC DONALD

Feb. 11, 2016 7:08 p.m. ET

1403 COMMENTS

A television ad for Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign now airing in South Carolina shows the candidate declaring that “too many encounters with law enforcement end tragically.” She later adds: “We have to face up to the hard truth of injustice and systemic racism.”

Her Democratic presidential rival, Bernie Sanders, met with the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders then tweeted that “As President, let me be very clear that no one will fight harder to end racism and reform our broken criminal justice system than I will.” And he appeared on the TV talk show “The View” saying, “It is not acceptable to see unarmed people being shot by police officers.”

Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015’s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

The lower proportion of black deaths due to police shootings can be attributed to the lamentable black-on-black homicide rate. There were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014—the most recent year for which such data are available—compared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.

Police officers—of all races—are also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.

Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.

Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers’ own risk of using lethal force.

The Black Lives Matter movement claims that white officers are especially prone to shooting innocent blacks due to racial bias, but this too is a myth. A March 2015 Justice Department report on the Philadelphia Police Department found that black and Hispanic officers were much more likely than white officers to shoot blacks based on “threat misperception”—that is, the mistaken belief that a civilian is armed.

A 2015 study by University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway, formerly acting director of the National Institute of Justice, found that, at a crime scene where gunfire is involved, black officers in the New York City Police Department were 3.3 times more likely to discharge their weapons than other officers at the scene.

The Black Lives Matter movement has been stunningly successful in changing the subject from the realities of violent crime. The world knows the name of Michael Brown but notTyshawn Lee, a 9-year-old black child lured into an alley and killed by gang members in Chicago last fall. Tyshawn was one of dozens of black children gunned down in America last year. The Baltimore Sun reported on Jan. 1: “Blood was shed in Baltimore at an unprecedented pace in 2015, with mostly young, black men shot to death in a near-daily crush of violence.”

Those were black lives that mattered, and it is a scandal that outrage is heaped less on the dysfunctional culture that produces so many victims than on the police officers who try to protect them.

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of “The War on Cops,” forthcoming in July from Encounter Books.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Nature Boy Flair

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Snopes LOL. The most opinionated liberal in the tank supposed fact finder. Very biased people

Didn't you use to have a letter for such a retort? D-

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Didn't you use to have a letter for such a retort? D-

Indeed I did..round 1 Jacqu67.

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Indeed I did..round 1 Jacqu67.

Plus 10 for honesty.

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Snopes LOL. The most opinionated liberal in the tank supposed fact finder. Very biased people

Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.

― John Adams,

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Snopes LOL. The most opinionated liberal in the tank supposed fact finder. Very biased people

Next time you can try a little bit harder and post qualitatively false memes from sources that aren't debunking them. Sorry but Snopes is somewhat more trustworthy than your "middle of the road" echoing of the echo chamber.

You can go ahead and admit that you made a mistake getting the meme from the source debunking it. I won't hold my breath but it might be cathartic for you. Yes?

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686The Myths of Black Lives Matter

e movement has won over Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. But what if its claims are fiction?

ENLARGE

PHOTO: MARK MAKELA/GETTY IMAGES

By

HEATHER MAC DONALD Feb. 11, 2016 7:08 p.m. ET

1403 COMMENTS

A television ad for Hillary Clintons presidential campaign now airing in South Carolina shows the candidate declaring that too many encounters with law enforcement end tragically. She later adds: We have to face up to the hard truth of injustice and systemic racism.

Her Democratic presidential rival, Bernie Sanders, met with the Rev. Al Sharpton on Wednesday. Mr. Sanders then tweeted that As President, let me be very clear that no one will fight harder to end racism and reform our broken criminal justice system than I will. And he appeared on the TV talk show The View saying, It is not acceptable to see unarmed people being shot by police officers.

Apparently the Black Lives Matter movement has convinced Democrats and progressives that there is an epidemic of racist white police officers killing young black men. Such rhetoric is going to heat up as Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders court minority voters before the Feb. 27 South Carolina primary.

But what if the Black Lives Matter movement is based on fiction? Not just the fictional account of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Mo., but the utter misrepresentation of police shootings generally.

To judge from Black Lives Matter protesters and their media and political allies, you would think that killer cops pose the biggest threat to young black men today. But this perception, like almost everything else that many people think they know about fatal police shootings, is wrong.

The Washington Post has been gathering data on fatal police shootings over the past year and a half to correct acknowledged deficiencies in federal tallies. The emerging data should open many eyes.

For starters, fatal police shootings make up a much larger proportion of white and Hispanic homicide deaths than black homicide deaths. According to the Post database, in 2015 officers killed 662 whites and Hispanics, and 258 blacks. (The overwhelming majority of all those police-shooting victims were attacking the officer, often with a gun.) Using the 2014 homicide numbers as an approximation of 2015s, those 662 white and Hispanic victims of police shootings would make up 12% of all white and Hispanic homicide deaths. That is three times the proportion of black deaths that result from police shootings.

The lower proportion of black deaths due to police shootings can be attributed to the lamentable black-on-black homicide rate. There were 6,095 black homicide deaths in 2014the most recent year for which such data are availablecompared with 5,397 homicide deaths for whites and Hispanics combined. Almost all of those black homicide victims had black killers.

Police officersof all racesare also disproportionately endangered by black assailants. Over the past decade, according to FBI data, 40% of cop killers have been black. Officers are killed by blacks at a rate 2.5 times higher than the rate at which blacks are killed by police.

Some may find evidence of police bias in the fact that blacks make up 26% of the police-shooting victims, compared with their 13% representation in the national population. But as residents of poor black neighborhoods know too well, violent crimes are disproportionately committed by blacks. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, blacks were charged with 62% of all robberies, 57% of murders and 45% of assaults in the 75 largest U.S. counties in 2009, though they made up roughly 15% of the population there.

Such a concentration of criminal violence in minority communities means that officers will be disproportionately confronting armed and often resisting suspects in those communities, raising officers own risk of using lethal force.

The Black Lives Matter movement claims that white officers are especially prone to shooting innocent blacks due to racial bias, but this too is a myth. A March 2015 Justice Department report on the Philadelphia Police Department found that black and Hispanic officers were much more likely than white officers to shoot blacks based on threat misperceptionthat is, the mistaken belief that a civilian is armed.

A 2015 study by University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway, formerly acting director of the National Institute of Justice, found that, at a crime scene where gunfire is involved, black officers in the New York City Police Department were 3.3 times more likely to discharge their weapons than other officers at the scene.

The Black Lives Matter movement has been stunningly successful in changing the subject from the realities of violent crime. The world knows the name of Michael Brown but notTyshawn Lee, a 9-year-old black child lured into an alley and killed by gang members in Chicago last fall. Tyshawn was one of dozens of black children gunned down in America last year. The Baltimore Sun reported on Jan. 1: Blood was shed in Baltimore at an unprecedented pace in 2015, with mostly young, black men shot to death in a near-daily crush of violence.

Those were black lives that mattered, and it is a scandal that outrage is heaped less on the dysfunctional culture that produces so many victims than on the police officers who try to protect them.

Ms. Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of The War on Cops, forthcoming in July from Encounter Books.

This from the same middle of the road-er advocating the joys of extra-judicial killings? Do you support law enforcement or don't you? Waffling between positions to fit your agenda's?