Trump on black supporter: 'Look at my African-American over here'

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Thus, BLM does not represent 'all black people.'

Thus, denouncing BLM or any other group claiming to represent 'the black community' is not an attack on any race.

I think you're mistaking me for a Trump supporter.

I'm not. If I could vote this year I'd go third party.

That being said. I do think it's worrysome that rather than discussing the fact that judge Curiel is openly affiliated with the San Diego La Raza Lawyers Association, it has once again turned into solely being about race.

Does heritage matter? No.

Does political affiliation matter? Absolutely.

Conflict of interest is relevant in the judiciary.

I can only imagine the outrage if an AIPAC-affiliated judge with Israeli parents presided over a case involving an openly pro-Palestinian politician.

Trump's mistake: He went for 'Mexican' rather than affiliation. He'll lose some support.

The media's mistake: Ignoring any legitimate debate so as not to appear racist. Trump will gain some support.

I suspect that if people (and the media) on both sides applied more critical thinking, we'd have less polarized as a nation.

+100

You are hereby nominated for the common sense middle of the road club

They want us polarized.

[Rob L 3,811]

+100

You are hereby nominated for the common sense middle of the road club

They want us polarized.

Just because you claim to be the chair of the CSM of RC does not make you a moderate

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Just because you claim to be the chair of the CSM of RC does not make you a moderate

Please don't use acronyms. Its so irritating

[Jacque67 7,328]

+100

You are hereby nominated for the common sense middle of the road club

They want us polarized.

You understood the last sentence?

Plus 20 million!!!!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

You understood the last sentence?

Plus 20 million!!!!

I actually read a whole post plus 30M

+ 40 if I actually read something I post

I respond to you well because you are brief.

My attention span is the second shortest thing I have

[JayJayH 546]

Here's the issue;

What has the GOP done in terms of opinion or otherwise? All I've ever seen them do is say black people are lazy and criminals. We're all on welfare, or don't have jobs. If we get brutalized or killed by police, no matter what it's our fault. Like I said, in terms of racism, it doesn't exist, even though it's clear as day in most cases when it happens.

As a black man who's been brutalized by police, seen up close and personal how we're treated in comparison to our white counterparts by the police, I can't understand why BLM is such an issue for folks. No one is saying our lives matter more than anyone else's, but that our lives matter too.

My problem with BLM isn't the protesting of police brutality per se, but rather the methods used. I supported BLM when Freddie Gray was placed in the back of a van in Baltimore and died of a back injury. Protesting genuine cases of police brutality had broad support, even among most libertarian groups on the right.

When I stopped supporting BLM was when uttering the phrase "All Lives Matter" somehow became a racist statement. Or Blue Lives Matter. I understand some may have used it to dismiss the movement, but people were forced to resign and apologize for this. That's not a PR move. Or when BLM protesters began demanding sentencing of officers found to have acted in self-defense, with no real evidence to the contrary,

Only an assumption of "rigged system!" Or when statistics showing more unarmed whites are shot than blacks were dismissed as "not a problem." Or when police brutality began being portrayed as an inherently racist problem of whites oppressing blacks.

No mention of the fact that officers charged for the murder of Freddie Gray were black, in a majority black city, with a black police chief and black mayor in a country with a black president. The narrative was still "unarmed black teenager shot by white officer." That doesn't mean it's not always a racist problem, but it does mean that it's far from the black and white picture painted by BLM.

And since BLM is the only voice really given a megaphone on this issue in swathes of the media and on college campuses, that's a problem. Particularly when countering the narrative or raising legitimate concerns becomes "racist."

Not once have I heard BLM mention drop-out rates among African-American kids. Not once have I heard BLM mention the proportion of African-American kids growing up in single-parent households. Not once have I heard BLM address crime in Chicago, or the fact that crime rates went up following increased litigation against the police.

Point being, I'm sympathetic to the cause. I've seen black friends pulled over and treated differently than I would have been, both by white, Asian, Hispanic and black officers. I'm frightened by the lack of intellectual diversity surrounding the matter however. It's a real problem, and the methods used by BLM aren't solving it.

Edited June 8, 2016 by JayJayH

[Jacque67 7,328]

I actually read a whole post plus 30M

+ 40 if I actually read something I post

I respond to you well because you are brief.

My attention span is the second shortest thing I have

Ok. Plus 50 million.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

My problem with BLM isn't the protesting of police brutality per se, but rather the methods used. I supported BLM when Freddie Gray was placed in the back of a van in Baltimore and died of a back injury. Protesting genuine cases of police brutality had broad support, even among most libertarian groups on the right.

When I stopped supporting BLM was when uttering the phrase "All Lives Matter" somehow became a racist statement. Or Blue Lives Matter. I understand some may have used it to dismiss the movement, but people were forced to resign and apologize for this. That's not a PR move. Or when BLM protesters began demanding sentencing of officers found to have acted in self-defense, with no real evidence to the contrary,

Only an assumption of "rigged system!" Or when statistics showing more unarmed whites are shot than blacks were dismissed as "not a problem." Or when police brutality began being portrayed as an inherently racist problem of whites oppressing blacks.

No mention of the fact that officers charged for the murder of Freddie Gray were black, in a majority black city, with a black police chief and black mayor in a country with a black president. The narrative was still "unarmed black teenager shot by white officer." That doesn't mean it's not always a racist problem, but it does mean that it's far from the black and white picture painted by BLM.

And since BLM is the only voice really given a megaphone on this issue in swathes of the media and on college campuses, that's a problem. Particularly when countering the narrative or raising legitimate concerns becomes "racist."

Not once have I heard BLM mention drop-out rates among African-American kids. Not once have I heard BLM mention the proportion of African-American kids growing up in single-parent households. Not once have I heard BLM address crime in Chicago, or the fact that crime rates went up following increased litigation against the police.

Point being, I'm sympathetic to the cause. I've seen black friends pulled over and treated differently than I would have been, both by white, Asian, Hispanic and black officers. I'm frightened by the lack of intellectual diversity surrounding the matter however. It's a real problem, and the methods used by BLM aren't solving it.

Once again you nailed it

[Jacque67 7,328]

Once again you nailed it

Very Trumpesque. Long may you rule!!!!!!!!!

Book ahead.

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Edited June 8, 2016 by Jacque67

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

[JayJayH 546]

Just because you claim to be the chair of the CSM of RC does not make you a moderate

I've always claimed myself as a liberal. "The left" however, has moved farther left.

[Jacque67 7,328]

I've always labelled myself as a racist, mysoginistic, homophobe, and I don't think the right is going far enough!

[JayJayH 546]

I've always labelled myself as a racist, mysoginistic, homophobe, and I don't think the right is going far enough!

You forgot transphobe and ableist

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

I'm sorry, NB. I debunked that weeks ago. Please keep up. http://www.snopes.com/donald-trump-racist-meme/

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

My problem with BLM isn't the protesting of police brutality per se, but rather the methods used. I supported BLM when Freddie Gray was placed in the back of a van in Baltimore and died of a back injury. Protesting genuine cases of police brutality had broad support, even among most libertarian groups on the right.

When I stopped supporting BLM was when uttering the phrase "All Lives Matter" somehow became a racist statement. Or Blue Lives Matter. I understand some may have used it to dismiss the movement, but people were forced to resign and apologize for this. That's not a PR move. Or when BLM protesters began demanding sentencing of officers found to have acted in self-defense, with no real evidence to the contrary,

Only an assumption of "rigged system!" Or when statistics showing more unarmed whites are shot than blacks were dismissed as "not a problem." Or when police brutality began being portrayed as an inherently racist problem of whites oppressing blacks.

No mention of the fact that officers charged for the murder of Freddie Gray were black, in a majority black city, with a black police chief and black mayor in a country with a black president. The narrative was still "unarmed black teenager shot by white officer." That doesn't mean it's not always a racist problem, but it does mean that it's far from the black and white picture painted by BLM.

And since BLM is the only voice really given a megaphone on this issue in swathes of the media and on college campuses, that's a problem. Particularly when countering the narrative or raising legitimate concerns becomes "racist."

Not once have I heard BLM mention drop-out rates among African-American kids. Not once have I heard BLM mention the proportion of African-American kids growing up in single-parent households. Not once have I heard BLM address crime in Chicago, or the fact that crime rates went up following increased litigation against the police.

Point being, I'm sympathetic to the cause. I've seen black friends pulled over and treated differently than I would have been, both by white, Asian, Hispanic and black officers. I'm frightened by the lack of intellectual diversity surrounding the matter however. It's a real problem, and the methods used by BLM aren't solving it.

I'll address each of your points:

ALM and Blue Lives matter is in fact racist. I'll show you how. ALM was created for the specific point of stopping BLM. If you look at their Twitter, they don't protest anything outside of trolling BLM or black people as a whole. In fact, when Zach Taylor was killed by the police, ALM was quiet as kept, while BLM took up the mantle of protesting his death. And Blue Lives matter is worse. Why? Because if you kill a cop, you're going to jail or getting the death sentence. Period. There is no self defense or I feared for my life. If I killed a cop in self defense, with video evidence and witnesses, and I'm white, there's good chance I could be acquitted. I'm black, with the same paramaters in place, my chances drop -100%. We've seen it time and time again. Video that completely shows the cops have flat out lied about how the encounter went down, and they still walk. Hell, if no video was present, Laquan McDonald's family would have never known about what really went down, or the fact they covered it up, doctored evidence, and hid video tapes that showed what really happened. And I don't think that cop even went to jail. Or that guy that had evidence planted on him after he was killed, etc...

It appears that whenever black people show a sign of love or strength for ourselves, some white people take it as an insult towards them as a whole. BLM has NEVER been about putting our lives over anyone else's. It's always been about our lives matter just as much as the rest of you. I've seen folks say black women are beautiful, only for someone to run in and say all women are beautiful, stop being racist.

As for your other issues, I'm curious as to why you think BLM should be addressing this. Personally, I think those issues should be dealt with by the people. But look at them shall we? Look at black schools, the ones where no heat and running water are abound. Where the teachers don't give two ##### about the lesson plan and aren't being paid enough. My mother was a teacher for over 40 years, trust me, black schools are almost as bad if not worse than prisons. But no one wants to talk about that. Single parent homes? Take a look at the welfare system that displaces the black male out of the home, not to mention getting a job out here having a black name doesn't help either. We're seen studies that showing being black w/o a criminal record puts you on ALMOST on par with white people with a criminal record. And for the crime rate? That's easy, black neighborhoods are victims of crime since police have made it known they don't care and criminals can move in at will. Not to mention gun laws that keep lawful black citizens unarmed while the animals run wild and free, killing at will. That's why mostly black neighborhoods have the most strict gun control and a high body count, they want us to kill each other. And having black people in charge really doesn't help if they don't have the funds/support to actually make a change. That's why it's irritating that folks think President Obama was going to magically fix Chicago because he was black. It's been a war zone for over 20 years.

TBF, there are issues we do need to address within our own community. I think rap/hip hop has contributed to the way we treat our women, non-conformity holds us back, and we're too busy trying to keep elements that shouldn't be kept. Sports and music have mentally enslaved our youth into thinking it's the only way out. The N-word needs to go away, and all of this in-fighting about light/dark skin needs to stop. We're helping ourselves in our own oppression. Black men need to step up and be leaders and fathers.

The reason there's a distinct lack of intellectual diversity is simply because people don't want to talk about ALL of the issues. Black folks want to blame racism for everything(it's the basis of the majority of it, but like I said, we're also contributing to it with our foolery). White folks ONLY want to talk about the issues that they're not responsible for(they want us to fix ourselves first, and still survive in a system that's inherently biased against us.) Because let's face it, at no point in US history, have we been on the same level as white people. And the reason BLM gets rowdy? Because watching our people get killed on national tv with video and witnesses gets no sympathy, and the cops either walk or get paltry jail time. We are consistently blamed for our own mistreatment/death. We sit back and watch white people go on shooting sprees with a double digit body count and get arrested with no harm to their person, while black people are gunned down for reaching for a wallet, running, or even just asking why they're being arrested. The double standard is so obvious, but we're told we have to somehow reverse decades of mistreatment AND still live in it. No one wants to level the playing field, they just want us to play the game while it's still rigged against us.

I'm all for the conversation about these things since I have kids who have to grow up and live it. But if we're going to talk, it all needs to be on the table.