Pakistani men can beat wives "lightly" says new bill

[Expat1 971]

Oh. I never hoped that you had expectations for me.

I would seriously consider talking to a professional about this penchant for links about wife beating. And I would further suggest you don't inform people how to go about it without leaving any traces.

I'll take my chances. Thanks For Playing

[Jacque67 7,328]

I'll take my chances. Thanks For Playing

Yeah it's almost 5pm Saudi time. Enjoy happy hour . It was fun while it lasted. Cheers.

[yuna628 9,676]

For those cynics that feel beating your wife is something that's only in the realm of Islamic countries, and that it's only an Islam problem or that we should only point fingers there, or that it's a part of 'backwards cultures'. It's not.

What the person in the said article is advocating is nearly verbatim to what you can find currently going on in Christian fundamentalist sects in the United States today. Of course, you won't find the news outraged and discussing this. There are bloggers, books, enthusiasts, and churches dedicated to spreading the 'good and Bible sanctioned' cause of beating your wife and children. It's all a part of training them into submission and disciplining them under a male-dominated leadership-godhead. Women, thusly are not allowed to do anything without their husband's permission, and must be punished for doing pretty much all of the things as mentioned in this article.

Funny how it's only outrageous when it's in a culture that just seems unnatural to you or a religion you disagree with when it's already right there in your own country and ingrained in fundamentalist circles. It's all a part of the same problem. Religion is a tool used by those in many cultures to justify the actions of those who enjoy misogyny and domestic violence.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

For those cynics that feel beating your wife is something that's only in the realm of Islamic countries, and that it's only an Islam problem or that we should only point fingers there, or that it's a part of 'backwards cultures'. It's not.

What the person in the said article is advocating is nearly verbatim to what you can find currently going on in Christian fundamentalist sects in the United States today. Of course, you won't find the news outraged and discussing this. There are bloggers, books, enthusiasts, and churches dedicated to spreading the 'good and Bible sanctioned' cause of beating your wife and children. It's all a part of training them into submission and disciplining them under a male-dominated leadership-godhead. Women, thusly are not allowed to do anything without their husband's permission, and must be punished for doing pretty much all of the things as mentioned in this article.

Funny how it's only outrageous when it's in a culture that just seems unnatural to you or a religion you disagree with when it's already right there in your own country and ingrained in fundamentalist circles. It's all a part of the same problem. Religion is a tool used by those in many cultures to justify the actions of those who enjoy misogyny and domestic violence.

That's the issue. The people here aren't saying it doesn't exist within our own culture, but somehow it only matters that it happens in Islam.

[yuna628 9,676]

That's the issue. The people here aren't saying it doesn't exist within our own culture, but somehow it only matters that it happens in Islam.

Agreed. I think that they will tend to acknowledge it does exist, and then deflect by saying it's a small subset that it doesn't matter or doesn't effect them. The news media isn't talking about what these Christian fundies do (actually they have, as talked about online by advocates, support groups, and investigative pieces a lot), because of the flack, and it won't be something talked about in the mainstream. And the average person living their mundane existence won't be bothered to actually be bothered by the actions of fundamentalists, because they don't see it as threatening... just as perhaps the average hardworking Muslim isn't bothered too much by it either unless someone uses it as an excuse to berate them for something they aren't a part of, don't believe in, and don't partake in. I'm sure it does on some level, as it should anyone. Christianity in the future, runs a real risk of further damage under these radical philosophies, especially as it meshes more closely into government. Perhaps then will be the days that we post CNN articles depicting such practices being introduced into US bills. Not that we haven't had unique attempts at fundamentalists to push the boundaries of law already. Islam also runs a risk of further damage... in fact, any religion that has sects utilizing such practices and attempting to make them more 'normalized' run a risk, unless there is significant pushback. And I think there is a lot of pushback, it's just not glamorous enough to be reported in the media.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Agreed. I think that they will tend to acknowledge it does exist, and then deflect by saying it's a small subset that it doesn't matter or doesn't effect them. The news media isn't talking about what these Christian fundies do (actually they have, as talked about online by advocates, support groups, and investigative pieces a lot), because of the flack, and it won't be something talked about in the mainstream. And the average person living their mundane existence won't be bothered to actually be bothered by the actions of fundamentalists, because they don't see it as threatening... just as perhaps the average hardworking Muslim isn't bothered too much by it either unless someone uses it as an excuse to berate them for something they aren't a part of, don't believe in, and don't partake in. I'm sure it does on some level, as it should anyone. Christianity in the future, runs a real risk of further damage under these radical philosophies, especially as it meshes more closely into government. Perhaps then will be the days that we post CNN articles depicting such practices being introduced into US bills. Not that we haven't had unique attempts at fundamentalists to push the boundaries of law already. Islam also runs a risk of further damage... in fact, any religion that has sects utilizing such practices and attempting to make them more 'normalized' run a risk, unless there is significant pushback. And I think there is a lot of pushback, it's just not glamorous enough to be reported in the media.

I think many of Muslims are out here calling for reform, but as you said, it's not widely reported since it doesn't fit the narrative of Islam being full of killers, wife beaters, and child predators. Not to mention, it defuses threads such as these from popping up, since the ones who want to talk about Islam only want to do so in the most negative way.

As far as extremists go, we have our own garden variety right here, that if unchecked, would produce the exact same results. Even on this forum, I'm more worried about the so called patriots that want to torture and kill people way more than Muslims. I guess it's okay when it's pointed at someone else.

[TBoneTX 45,289]

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[Boiler 45,516]

It would be nice to have a list of the fallen.