More Of A Sticky Situation

[rebeccajo 14]

They do not fingerprint people when they leave, as a matter of fact, they dont even care about people leaving.

Right.

So when they collect the I94's, they just throw them in the trash.

Don't be sarcastic... you know very well what I meant.

First of all, you know as well as I do that many people for whatever reason don't turn in their I-94's when they leave the country, my wife's mother comes to the US twice a year on a B2 visa and she told me last time she was here, while we drove her to the airport that only ONCE she was asked for her I-94 right before boarding the plane at the gate... she told me she still has some of them with her just because she was never asked for it and when you are trying to find you gate and trying to carry your carry on and so occupied with the trip you forget about turning it in and it has never been a problem.

florida guy, I have to say that No, I don't know what you mean.

I know that a B2 visa can be issued for nearly any length or time (up to ten years) and is good for multiple entries.

I know that the CBP officer can turn anybody away - no matter what visa they hold, what POE they land at, or whatever story they have for the reason for the present visit.

I know that the next time a person needs a visa, the consulate can deny that visa for misuse or abuse (their perception - whether it was accidental or no on the petitioner's part) of a previous visa. Similarly they can deny those who have abused the VWP.

And I know that the simplest insurance against these (in absence of exit fingerprinting) is the return of the I94.

The rules are changing daily.

t

Meaning?

[Emo 0]

I'm sorry, I wouldn't touch a person with a ten foot pole who is willing to procure AND use a fake passport!

I guess he already touched her

[eau_xplain 2]

They do not fingerprint people when they leave, as a matter of fact, they dont even care about people leaving.

Right.

So when they collect the I94's, they just throw them in the trash.

Don't be sarcastic... you know very well what I meant.

First of all, you know as well as I do that many people for whatever reason don't turn in their I-94's when they leave the country, my wife's mother comes to the US twice a year on a B2 visa and she told me last time she was here, while we drove her to the airport that only ONCE she was asked for her I-94 right before boarding the plane at the gate... she told me she still has some of them with her just because she was never asked for it and when you are trying to find you gate and trying to carry your carry on and so occupied with the trip you forget about turning it in and it has never been a problem.

florida guy, I have to say that No, I don't know what you mean.

I know that a B2 visa can be issued for nearly any length or time (up to ten years) and is good for multiple entries.

I know that the CBP officer can turn anybody away - no matter what visa they hold, what POE they land at, or whatever story they have for the reason for the present visit.

I know that the next time a person needs a visa, the consulate can deny that visa for misuse or abuse (their perception - whether it was accidental or no on the petitioner's part) of a previous visa. Similarly they can deny those who have abused the VWP.

And I know that the simplest insurance against these (in absence of exit fingerprinting) is the return of the I94.

The rules are changing daily.

t

Meaning?

Here's my parents' experience about I-94.

Years back they were renewing their B1/B2 visa at the US Embassy in the Philippines. At that time, if you had a 10-year multiple entry B1/B2 that you wanted to renew, you just send your application and passport in by mail with updated supporting documents. When my parents did just that they were denied because according to the embassy, records show that my parents didn't turn in their last I-94 which means they never left the United States (ha!) and are "overstayers". Since my parents had indeed turned in their I-94s, they had to show other proof by sending a copy of their plane ticket stubs, boarding passes and a photocopy of the Philippines entry stamp.

So, never underestimate the importance of turning in your I-94s but you must also keep records of your trips just in case they lose it.

[florida_guy07 0]

They do not fingerprint people when they leave, as a matter of fact, they dont even care about people leaving.

Right.

So when they collect the I94's, they just throw them in the trash.

Don't be sarcastic... you know very well what I meant.

First of all, you know as well as I do that many people for whatever reason don't turn in their I-94's when they leave the country, my wife's mother comes to the US twice a year on a B2 visa and she told me last time she was here, while we drove her to the airport that only ONCE she was asked for her I-94 right before boarding the plane at the gate... she told me she still has some of them with her just because she was never asked for it and when you are trying to find you gate and trying to carry your carry on and so occupied with the trip you forget about turning it in and it has never been a problem.

florida guy, I have to say that No, I don't know what you mean.

I know that a B2 visa can be issued for nearly any length or time (up to ten years) and is good for multiple entries.

I know that the CBP officer can turn anybody away - no matter what visa they hold, what POE they land at, or whatever story they have for the reason for the present visit.

I know that the next time a person needs a visa, the consulate can deny that visa for misuse or abuse (their perception - whether it was accidental or no on the petitioner's part) of a previous visa. Similarly they can deny those who have abused the VWP.

And I know that the simplest insurance against these (in absence of exit fingerprinting) is the return of the I94.

The rules are changing daily.

t

Meaning?

Here's my parents' experience about I-94.

Years back they were renewing their B1/B2 visa at the US Embassy in the Philippines. At that time, if you had a 10-year multiple entry B1/B2 that you wanted to renew, you just send your application and passport in by mail with updated supporting documents. When my parents did just that they were denied because according to the embassy, records show that my parents didn't turn in their last I-94 which means they never left the United States (ha!) and are "overstayers". Since my parents had indeed turned in their I-94s, they had to show other proof by sending a copy of their plane ticket stubs, boarding passes and a photocopy of the Philippines entry stamp.

So, never underestimate the importance of turning in your I-94s but you must also keep records of your trips just in case they lose it.

I never said to maliciously and purposely withhold your I-94 upon your departure from the United States, all I said was that I have seen many cases and they don't seem to be ALL that interested in making sure that every foreigner turns in their I-94, I also do realize that it is the traveler's responsability to turn that in, but I don't think USCIS is putting enough effort to make sure that that happens, which leads me to believe that collecting I-94's is not their priority.

The OP's fiance has ways to try to fix her - let's say - mistake.

[samiam 0]

It is well known in Lima that one can buy a very convincing passport and Visa but it is somewhat amazing to me that the counterfit is useable and that immigration does not catch these things in these modern times. Any way the reason a person would do this is obvious and even more so due to the fact that a tourist visa is extremely difficult to get in Lima and no I am not saying I think it is ok!! these are the very type of things that make this process harder for the rest of us.

One should also consider the penalty for a USC for knowingly aiding a person to immigrate illegaly????????????

[athena_ny 1]

My husband knew you could buy them, but he was shocked when I relayed this story to him - that they could actually get into the country that way.

It is well known in Lima that one can buy a very convincing passport and Visa but it is somewhat amazing to me that the counterfit is useable and that immigration does not catch these things in these modern times. Any way the reason a person would do this is obvious and even more so due to the fact that a tourist visa is extremely difficult to get in Lima and no I am not saying I think it is ok!! these are the very type of things that make this process harder for the rest of us.

One should also consider the penalty for a USC for knowingly aiding a person to immigrate illegaly????????????

[rebeccajo 14]

I never said to maliciously and purposely withhold your I-94 upon your departure from the United States, all I said was that I have seen many cases and they don't seem to be ALL that interested in making sure that every foreigner turns in their I-94, I also do realize that it is the traveler's responsability to turn that in, but I don't think USCIS is putting enough effort to make sure that that happens, which leads me to believe that collecting I-94's is not their priority.

The OP's fiance has ways to try to fix her - let's say - mistake.

Well, USCIS officials aren't the ones at the airports collecting the I-94s. It's either CBP officers or actual airline personnel.

And I think USCIS really feels it's your responsibility to document your exits - not theirs. They'll be happy though - as eau_explain illustrates, to stop you when you try and come back in.

It's a good discussion though. I'm enjoying your contribution.

[Private Skylark 0]

...Are you sure you're not her legal ticket into the US? =/ Why the hell is she here, on a fake passport and visa, when she has a kid back home? IMO she's looking for trouble. And an American husband.

But hey, she's your fiancee not mine. Good luck to you on that. I just hope you don't get burned.

Edited April 4, 2007 by Private Skylark

[cellarlily 0]

Geez...do you really want to spend the money, time (and possible jail time) to help this woman out? I understand her situation may be bad back home, but this is insane. She knew that entering on a fake passport was wrong and she didn't tell you about it until now?

Yikes. Not worth it.

[athena_ny 1]

The OP is probably long gone.

For what it's worth though, my husband (from Peru as well, not sure that has anything to do with it) was fingerprinted in Miami upon entry in March 2002. (Yes, my signature says 2003, this computer won't let me fix my sig though).

Also, I would be questioning how much of this is about love, and how much is about securing a green card. There is a reason it's hard to get a tourist visa from countries such as Peru, Argentina, etc. Her daughter who was an infant when she left is still in her home country, without her mother ... and you fiancee broke multiple laws both here and in Peru to get here.

I say, suggest moving to Peru and if that's a no-go from her, start questioning her intentions.