Three Current Events Involving Politics and Religion [edited title]

[yuna628 9,676]

I personally don't know a single Christian who defended him, but perhaps I'm just in a different circle of them

Well, you're talking about a guy who was strongly linked to the evangelical community who was aggressive in targeting gay persons during his career. Early on some were quick to rush to defend, believing it all to be untrue... a vast conspiracy theory designed to smear him.

You have people like Tom Delay saying stuff like: “He is a good man that loves the Lord,” Delay wrote. “He doesn’t deserve what he is going through.”

A mind blowing comment to make from an evangelical that has a foundation for ''abused children''.

Edited April 28, 2016 by yuna628

[smilesammich 10,727]

i would say the vast majority of christians are appalled by sexual assault and child molestation, because the vast majority of humans are appalled by it. but in relevance to the ongoing muslim bashing (of course not just this thread, although i'm probably not even allowed to vaguely reference 'other-similar' threads) that is precisely the point. a religion can be for the good of a person or a their total downfall. that's the power religion holds, it can be used for peace or destruction. anyone can go hard on the 'my god is better than your god' stance and feel superior in the face of those with conflicting beliefs. a complete psychotic mess could claim a particular religion and by their crazy actions do that religion a complete disservice publicly. the negative results of religion are not dependent on the religion, they're dependent upon the person. imo

Edited April 28, 2016 by elitesthuglib

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Well I consider myself evangelical but not fundamentalist. Two different things in my eyes and you can guess which one I believe the community that supported him was.

He may love the Lord, but people who love the Lord also do terrible things just as people who don't can. I believe that none of us are immune to sin. I do find the "he doesn't deserve this" comment ridiculous as a fundamental (pardon the expression) Christian belief is that we do not deserve anything that God has given us as we are indeed all sinners. But that he extends grace and forgiveness. But anyways I'll step off of my soap box

i would say the vast majority of christians are appalled by sexual assault and child molestation, because the vast majority of humans are appalled by it. but in relevance to the ongoing muslim bashing (of course not just this thread, although i'm probably not even allowed to vaguely reference 'other-similar' threads) that is precisely the point. a religion can be for the good of a person or a their total downfall. that's the power religion holds, it can be used for peace or destruction. anyone can go hard on the 'my god is better than your god' stance and feel superior in the face of those with conflicting beliefs. a complete psychotic mess could claim a particular religion and by their crazy actions do that religion a complete disservice publicly. the negative results of religion are not dependent on the religion, they're dependent upon the person. imo

Yep agree

[Expat1 971]

I don't really see the RealChristian™ community jumping up to condemn one of their own either, in fact for the most part they kind of defend him. Kinda makes you wonder about those folks.

But about perspectives of some of those 'folks' you're referring to....

But just in case you wanted some additional reading material about all the other RealChristian™ folks, defending that 'old gay white child molestor', they came out of the woodwork in droves. The ''we are all sinners'' motto works great when evangelicals want to defend serial rapist behavior and all sorts of crimes, not too dissimilar to the ways nutjobs twist their own religion to defend hacking people up. Suddenly we now realize what the two seemingly different stories comes from the same root of hypocrisy, which I think is what elitesthuglib was getting at all along. No baiting is needed, when the analogy is the same.. it just all depends if you want to acknowledge that. If you don't, then please carry on denigrating with all the ™'s you can muster.

I agree. I don't much care for the over-religious on either side. Start a thread about "Hacking people up for Jesus" and I'll hammer them too. We all will.

[2ndMessiah 184]

It is fun to watch people defend the actions of the members of their groups/clicks/sects/religions by pointing out the failings of others. It seems to me that good people do good things, bad people do bad things, but it takes a religion to make good people do bad things.

Also I get tired of hearing it was an extremist gorup of a certian faction did something bad. Being extreme isnt bad in it self. It is the core values that need to be questioned.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

It is fun to watch people defend the actions of the members of their groups/clicks/sects/religions by pointing out the failings of others. It seems to me that good people do good things, bad people do bad things, but it takes a religion to make good people do bad things.

Also I get tired of hearing it was an extremist gorup of a certian faction did something bad. Being extreme isnt bad in it self. It is the core values that need to be questioned.

Please show me where ANYONE here has defended sick actions of any religion group. What's even more fun to watch is people who just want to point the finger at Islam but lack the conviction to say so. The thread title says it all, but it appears certain folks ONLY want to talk about Muslims. Like it only matters when they do something heinous.

An extremists on any side is a bad thing. Christianity and Islam both have the same core values. How you interpret them is up to the individual. Because if the core was rotten, you wouldn't have 1.6 million Muslims here doing the right thing.

[2ndMessiah 184]

Please show me where ANYONE here has defended sick actions of any religion group. What's even more fun to watch is people who just want to point the finger at Islam but lack the conviction to say so. The thread title says it all, but it appears certain folks ONLY want to talk about Muslims. Like it only matters when they do something heinous.

An extremists on any side is a bad thing. Christianity and Islam both have the same core values. How you interpret them is up to the individual. Because if the core was rotten, you wouldn't have 1.6 million Muslims here doing the right thing.

You missed my point by only being focused on extrem religion. To clarify, something being extreme is not a bad thing ie extreme snow boarding..... It is the core values of the thing you are being extreme about is what needs to be examined and dealt with.

Many many extreme acts of violence has been justified and supported by people pointing to ther holy books. The hacking to death of Bangladesh bloggers because they spoke thier minds that was in contradiction with majority religious belief.

Again good people doing bad things.....

[2ndMessiah 184]

And I didn't say anyone here support relgious motivated violence