Charlie Daniels sends message to spineless musicians canceling shows

[lostinblue 1,989]

Charlie Daniels sends message to spineless musicians canceling shows because of transgender bathrooms

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/04/16/charlie-daniels-sends-message-to-spineless-musicians-canceling-shows-because-of-transgender-bathrooms-329591#ixzz46BL0l8jp

Boycotting states like North Carolina and Mississippi is all the rage for many celebrities these days but for one singer it’s just the opposite.

While Bruce Springsteen, Ringo Starr, Bryan Adams and even filmmaker Michael Moore have declined to do business in North Carolina and Mississippi, because the states passed laws preventing men from using women’s bathrooms, Charlie Daniels has stepped up.

Charlie Daniels

✔ ‎@CharlieDaniels

Let's put some rumors to rest.
Any shows we have booked in NC,Mississippi or anywhere else in these Sovereign US of A will be played

11:31 AM - 15 Apr 2016

What an interesting concept. Doing business where you are contractually obligated to do so.

Then again Springsteen, Adams, Starr, Moore and any other who join the boycotts have a right to not do business with those who don’t share their beliefs and values.

As they boycott people for not doing business with people who don’t share their beliefs and values.

Social media praised Daniels for taking a stand.

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2016/04/16/charlie-daniels-sends-message-to-spineless-musicians-canceling-shows-because-of-transgender-bathrooms-329591#ixzz46BLDLZDz

[Jacque67 7,328]

Who is Charlie Daniels?????

[ExPatty 502]

These people have no problem running shows in China, or the ME where arguments about men using the woman's restroom are a long way off indeed.

[smilesammich 10,727]

meh ol charlie daniels. i'll let it slide cause dude is old as dirt. but bruce?.. as if i needed another reason to love the boss.

Who is Charlie Daniels?????

[Jacque67 7,328]

Jeez..ya should have spared me, Val. Is this revenge for the sound of silence upload?

[smilesammich 10,727]

Jeez..ya should have spared me, Val. Is this revenge for the sound of silence upload?

ha. no, doesn't everyone have a soft spot for 70s country hits?

[Jacque67 7,328]

ha. no, doesn't everyone have a soft spot for 70s country hits?

Nah!

[smilesammich 10,727]

Nah!

60s?

[Rich and Wen 101]

While I like a couple of his songs, I refuse to listen to Charlie Daniels pontificate on American culture. The same arguments anti-LGBT proponents use today were once used by segregationists to deny people of color their "inalienable rights"

[smilesammich 10,727]

this is true.

[Jacque67 7,328]

While I like a couple of his songs, I refuse to listen to Charlie Daniels pontificate on American culture. The same arguments anti-LGBT proponents use today were once used by segregationists to deny people of color their "inalienable rights"

Well apart from my natural disdain towards your taste in music, I must agree with the rest;)

[Rich and Wen 101]

As to my taste in music, even a broken clock is right twice a day...

[lostinblue 1,989]

While I like a couple of his songs, I refuse to listen to Charlie Daniels pontificate on American culture. The same arguments anti-LGBT proponents use today were once used by segregationists to deny people of color their "inalienable rights"

Man undresses in front of girls in Seattle locker room, cites “Gender Identity” regulation

A young man undressed twice last week in front of young girls in the women’s locker room at Seattle’s Evan’s Pool facility and police were not called due to confusion over Washington State’s new Gender Identity regulations. The rules allow any male to enter women and girl’s locker rooms, showers, restrooms, saunas, etc. by invoking his belief in “Gender Identity”, a psychological form of reproductive sex unrelated to actual biological sex. Males who enter such facilities without proclaiming a personal belief in psychological sex are subject to arrest under sex crime statutes.

The man in question twice reportedly entered the female changing facility and observed the women and girls in various stages of undress, and removed his own clothes in front of them.

From KIRO Seattle:

“Seattle Parks and Recreation has confirmed an adult male inappropriately used a female locker room at Evans Pool in Green Lake while a youth swim team used the facilities on Feb. 8

Was the individual a male inappropriately using the facilities or a transgender female well within her rights?

“This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was ‘identifying’ as a woman,” Seattle Parks and Recreation Communications Manager David Takami told me via email. “We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity.”

At around 5:30 p.m. on Feb. 8, an adult went into the locker room to change. Takami says that at “no time did he verbally ‘identify’ as female,” nor did he request to be treated as transgender.

At the time, a local youth swim team was using the facilities. Young girls and some of their parents “became alarmed” that the male was changing in the female locker room and alerted the front desk staff. Staff members then “asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room.”

He did not accept the offer.

After his swim, he “again entered the women’s locker room to change.” Front desk staff once again asked him to leave “and he eventually did.”

Perhaps complicating matters, a witness who contacted KIRO Radio indicated this male was wearing men’s clothing as he entered the locker room.

Takami maintains that the parks department wants everyone to feel comfortable. But if this individual was, in fact, transgender, was this situation handled correctly? And is it appropriate to call the individual a male?

If this isn’t a “transgender issue” why didn’t staffers call the police? Critics of the failed transgender bathroom bill indicate there are already rules to punish people who break the law.

According to the law: “If another person expresses concern or discomfort about a person who uses a facility that is consistent with the person’s gender expression or gender identity, the person expressing discomfort should be directed to a separate or gender-neutral facility, if available.”

But Takami says everyone involved (the patrons complaining and the male individual) were offered a separate accommodation.

The law further states: “Any action taken against a person who is using a restroom or other gender-segregated facility, such as removing a person, should be taken due to that person’s actions or behavior while in the facility, and must be unrelated to gender expression or gender identity.”

There is no indication that this individual did anything inappropriate, if the person identifies as transgender. But Seattle Parks and Recreation did not believe he was transgender. So why didn’t they call the police?

“That was an option, but staff try to deal with issues immediately, and try not to call police as the first option,” Takami said.

This incident raises questions that go to the heart of the issue and controversy over gender-neutral bathroom protections. We’re told that the concern that a male using a female locker room is overblown and rarely happens. If you were to look into this incident, because police weren’t called, there’s no paper trail that the average person could discover indicating this issue happened. The only reason we’re aware of the incident is due to a KIRO Radio listener who spoke up. So it’s problematic for activists to claim these incidents don’t happen if police aren’t always being called.

Yet another concern is whether or not this was done by an activist to make a political point.

“In following guidelines laid out by the Washington Human Right Commission, the person did not exhibit a gender presentation or gender identity consistent with gender of the locker room as was asked to leave that locker room,” said Gunner Scott, transgender advocate and former LGBT Commission for the City of Seattle. “A concern I have is if this was a setup by opponents of LGBT equality to try to exploit the recent debate of basic rights of transgender youth, adults and families, as that tactic has been used by these opponents in different states.”

It’s a valid concern and one I fear will happen just to make a point. But that’s another reason parks and recreation failed by not calling the police to report the lawbreaker.

Here is Takami’s full statement to the Jason Rantz Show:

On Monday, Feb. 8, around 5:30 p.m., an individual, a young adult, came into the pool lobby, paid the fee for lap swim, and went into the woman’s locker room to change. At no time did he verbally “identify” as female. Staff didn’t see which locker room he entered as it was a busy time of day with a lot of swimmers coming and going. Previous to lap swim time at the pool was a local youth swim team practice. After lap swim was another children’s swim time.

Seeing this individual in the locker room, parents of swim team members (girls) and women who had paid for lap swim became alarmed and alerted our front desk staff. In response, an Evans pool staff member entered the women’s locker room and asked the man to leave and offered the availability of a family changing room. Other patrons were also offered the alternative of the family changing room. He eventually left the women’s locker room. After the lap swim, he again entered the women’s locker room to change. Front desk staff again asked him to leave and he eventually did.

This didn’t seem like a transgender issue to staff — someone who was “identifying” as a woman. We have guidelines that allow transgender individuals to use restrooms and locker rooms consistent with their gender identity. We want everyone to feel comfortable in our facilities.”

Seattle’s King5 News Station provides further details:

“As far as policy to protect everyone, Seattle Parks spokesman David Takami says they’re still working on the issue. Right now, there’s no specific protocol for how someone should demonstrate their gender in order to access a bathroom. Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance, and this man offered neither.”

https://gendertrender.wordpress.com/2016/02/17/man-undresses-in-front-of-girls-in-seattle-locker-room-cites-gender-identity-regulation/

Employees just rely on verbal identification or physical appearance ... If he had said he wants to be a woman for that afternoon he would be allowed to stay and shower with the teen girls ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

... If he had said he wants to be a woman for that afternoon he would be allowed to stay and shower with the teen girls ?

no.

do you know what transgender means?

[Rich and Wen 101]

In this instance, reading the story, the pool personnel didn't handle it correctly, as we can see in retrospect. I feel strongly that they are now putting in place policies and procedures to ensure this does not happen again. Other municipalities, if they were smart, would do the same. There will be problems, overreactions, and just plain mishandling of situations in the coming days. Eventually it will all shake out, as the pendulum swings from one side to the other.

Could have been a troublemaker, trying to get a test case and a huge settlement from Seattle.

It may be that the way to deal with this situation will be to create 3 areas - one for men, one for women, and one private one for those who identify as different from their birth gender and outward appearance.

By the way, the headline sensationalized the story, by saying he cited the "Gender Identity" regulation. According to the story, at no time did he say anything about that.