The DREAM ACt of 2007

[Mirorgate 0]

what???????????

dont ask... just pass the bong. apparently its good chit

[Niels Bohr 72]

Foreign students here legally pay a higher rate for tuition. The Dream Act 2007 rewards illegal aliens with in-state tuition and a fast track to American citizenship. Why should America reward illegal aliens? The lower rate for tuition is bad enough without further rewarding them with a fast track to US citizenship. They really should be deported for illegal presence.

This is nothing more than pandering legislation.

The government is not loosing money. Illegals or not, for every dollars spent on students the US receives seven dollars back. Explain what you mean by we're loosing money.

[Mirorgate 0]

Foreign students here legally pay a higher rate for tuition. The Dream Act 2007 rewards illegal aliens with in-state tuition and a fast track to American citizenship. Why should America reward illegal aliens? The lower rate for tuition is bad enough without further rewarding them with a fast track to US citizenship. They really should be deported for illegal presence.

This is nothing more than pandering legislation.

The government is not loosing money. Illegals or not, for every dollars spent on students the US receives seven dollars back. Explain what you mean by we're loosing money.

That is a good "in theory" statement. IF ppl are paying back on their student loans that they borrowed, and just the minimum, then yes, you would be correct. What is the percentage though? Since most ppl cant work in a high paying job right after college/university to payback $500+ a month tuition loan, let alone, car, rent, food, neccessities.. they usually defer. Some outright default due to not being able to obtain work 6 months after grad to pay back the loans either.

Also, we (american citizens, legal residents) are losing money for our children or ourselves that wish to go to a higher education but cant afford it and would need to aquire a loan, but the Gov sets certain amount aside.. and if that gets set aside to help illegal immigrant children get to school before a citizen/legal resident.. we're losing.

[Niels Bohr 72]

That is a good "in theory" statement. IF ppl are paying back on their student loans that they borrowed, and just the minimum, then yes, you would be correct. What is the percentage though? Since most ppl cant work in a high paying job right after college/university to payback $500+ a month tuition loan, let alone, car, rent, food, neccessities.. they usually defer. Some outright default due to not being able to obtain work 6 months after grad to pay back the loans either.

Also, we (american citizens, legal residents) are losing money for our children or ourselves that wish to go to a higher education but cant afford it and would need to aquire a loan, but the Gov sets certain amount aside.. and if that gets set aside to help illegal immigrant children get to school before a citizen/legal resident.. we're losing.

It's a financial statistics that was released by the state of Massachusetts. I'm not getting these numbers from anywhere. First of all, a college student when they graduate will not make 20k/year, instead they would get an average 35k/year. The more money they earn, the more they spend. These numbers are from the state government.

From experience, I notice American Citizen children, at least those of 3rd or 4rth generation immigrants do not do well in school. Then everyone would asks the questions why aren't these kids doing well in school. So, they blame the teachers, schools, etc...Most of these students grew up in a comfortable niche, and so they take things for granted and don't compete very well.

Edited March 20, 2007 by consolemaster

[peejay 327]

Foreign students here legally pay a higher rate for tuition. The Dream Act 2007 rewards illegal aliens with in-state tuition and a fast track to American citizenship. Why should America reward illegal aliens? The lower rate for tuition is bad enough without further rewarding them with a fast track to US citizenship. They really should be deported for illegal presence.

This is nothing more than pandering legislation.

The government is not loosing money. Illegals or not, for every dollars spent on students the US receives seven dollars back. Explain what you mean by we're loosing money.

Illegal aliens cost the US taxpayer billions of $$$. Any kind of rewards and incentives for illegal aliens is money pissed down the drain. The only people that benefit by pandering to illegal aliens is the illegal aliens themselves and the corrupt businesses that profit from the cheap illegal labor.

This insanity needs to stop now!

[Niels Bohr 72]

Illegal aliens cost the US taxpayer billions of $$. Any kind of rewards and incentives for illegal aliens is money pissed down the drain. The only people that benefit by pandering to illegal aliens is the illegal aliens themselves and the corrupt businesses that profit from the cheap illegal labor.

This insanity needs to stop now!

Where the heck are you getting these numbers from? You cannot just blurt out arguments without sources to back them up. Edited March 20, 2007 by consolemaster

[peejay 327]

Illegal aliens cost the US taxpayer billions of $$. Any kind of rewards and incentives for illegal aliens is money pissed down the drain. The only people that benefit by pandering to illegal aliens is the illegal aliens themselves and the corrupt businesses that profit from the cheap illegal labor.

This insanity needs to stop now!

Where the heck are you getting these numbers from? You cannot just blurt out arguments without sources to back them up.

It's common knowlege that illegal aliens cost billions to educate, medicate, and incarcerate. A vast majority of illegal aliens take way more from the taxpayer than they contribute back. Why shoulds we encourage them with rewards?

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...esearch_njcosts

This is for just one state and I'm sure it is universal nationwide. Illegal immigration is not something we need to embrace, encourage, reward, and accept. The Dream Act 2007 is bad legislation that rewards illegal aliens and should not become law.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Illegal aliens cost the US taxpayer billions of $$. Any kind of rewards and incentives for illegal aliens is money pissed down the drain. The only people that benefit by pandering to illegal aliens is the illegal aliens themselves and the corrupt businesses that profit from the cheap illegal labor.

This insanity needs to stop now!

Where the heck are you getting these numbers from? You cannot just blurt out arguments without sources to back them up.

It's common knowlege that illegal aliens cost billions to educate, medicate, and incarcerate. A vast majority of illegal aliens take way more from the taxpayer than they contribute back. Why shoulds we encourage them with rewards?

http://www.fairus.org/site/PageServer?page...esearch_njcosts

This is for just one state and I'm sure it is universal nationwide. Illegal immigration is not something we need to embrace, encourage, reward, and accept. The Dream Act 2007 is bad legislation that rewards illegal aliens and should not become law.

Right. I support legal immigration not illegal immigration.

[mawilson 2,133]

It's common knowlege that illegal aliens cost billions to educate, medicate, and incarcerate.

They are already here and already costing us billions. Since deporting them is not an option,

might as well legalise them and make them pay taxes.

Why is GWB trying to ram his amnesty program through Congress? Could it be because he needs

more tax money to finance his wars?

[mmarlo 1]

You know what's really expensive? An endless and illegal war that's being financed on credit. "Defense" expenditures that exceeds the combined total of all the other countries in the world.

[mawilson 2,133]

You know what's really expensive? An endless and illegal war that's being financed on credit. "Defense" expenditures that exceeds the combined total of all the other countries in the world.

No kidding.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's common knowlege that illegal aliens cost billions to educate, medicate, and incarcerate.

They are already here and already costing us billions. Since deporting them is not an option, might as well legalise them and make them pay taxes.

Problem with that approach is that it would only invite additional scores of illegals as they would be banking on receiving the benefit of an amnesty down the road. So, even if you get those that we subsidized to the tune of 10,000,000,000.00/year to actually start paying their share of taxes etc, you'd be creating a new swarm of illegals that would be sucking off our taxes again. They'd come as we'd show them once again that all it takes is getting in and sticking around to eventually become legal. Again, this amnesty thing has been tried and the current situation should serve as evidence that it is a loser of a strategy if curbing illegal immigration is the goal.

It is insane to expect different results while doing the same thing over and over.

[Caladan 19]

It's common knowlege that illegal aliens cost billions to educate, medicate, and incarcerate.

They are already here and already costing us billions. Since deporting them is not an option,

might as well legalise them and make them pay taxes.

Why is GWB trying to ram his amnesty program through Congress? Could it be because he needs

more tax money to finance his wars?

First off, everyone get over the fact that businesses have a menu option for Spanish. You don't want a law mandating that all private enterprise conduct their business in English.

I'm torn on the tuition thing. But I think I come down supporting it for no bleeding heart reasons at all. The current situation is intolerable. In a perfect world, we'd be able to deport illegal immigrants. But there's what, eleven million of them now? The crackdown should have happened in 1986. After 20 years, the expense to deport them is just too great. It's expensive to make them legal, too, but if we make them legal we can recoup some of the expenses as they continue to work here and pay taxes.

And if we're doing that, we might as well allow their kids, post-amnesty to get in-state tuition. They'll have amnesty at that point. I think not doing so wouldn't make people decide to go "home" to a place they don't remember, but would instead create a permanent Hispanic underclass. That's a recipe for societal instability right there.

Bush is supporting amnesty for illegals because he doesn't really have a workable alternative. That, and he certainly doesn't want to hand the Hispanic vote to the Democrats for the next forty years.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

It is insane to expect different results while doing the same thing over and over.

amen

First off, everyone get over the fact that businesses have a menu option for Spanish. You don't want a law mandating that all private enterprise conduct their business in English.

says who?

[Caladan 19]

You want it to be illegal to have a foreign language newspaper or to go out to a fancy French restaurant where the menu is in French?