The DREAM ACt of 2007

[slim 1,530]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

There was never a time in American history when a majority group that spoke a language other than English was more populous than English-speaking people. Plus, there were different rules in those times. Did they have ESL classes in the Industrial Age? No. You adapted to English or you went broke. Now, you are PC'd into learning English at your own pace and skill level. Once the Spanish-speaking majority overwhelms the English-speaking majority, there will be no need to learn at your own pace, because most people will already speak your language.

[Boiler 45,813]

Anybody's guess, I would go for something nearer 20 million. But if somebody says 15 and somebody else 25 I will not argue.

Increasing about 5,000 a day. Yet again who knows exactly.

Population of Ireland - 4 million. About 2 years worth of illegal migration. If they all moved.

It is of course a numbers game, not an issue if you divided the current numbers by 100.

[Caladan 19]

That's based on current projections, and assumes that all children of Hispanic immigrants will not learn English. These are dubious assumptions along the lines of 'in 1930, the biggest problem London will face is horse excrement!', uttered by a developer in 1875, taking into account the number of people buying horses. Right now, in 2007, the most generous estimate of illegal immigration is just under 5% of the population.

And I'm sorry if I just can't see how revoking English as a Second Language funding is supposed to *help* people learn English. You did know that ESL teaches people English, right? Are people going to be more likely to learn English if they can't enroll in English classes?

[slim 1,530]

I'm not talking about illegal immigration.

I'm talking about LEGAL immigration and reproduction. (And a little illegal immigration too!)

[Boiler 45,813]

That's based on current projections, and assumes that all children of Hispanic immigrants will not learn English. These are dubious assumptions along the lines of 'in 1930, the biggest problem London will face is horse excrement!', uttered by a developer in 1875, taking into account the number of people buying horses. Right now, in 2007, the most generous estimate of illegal immigration is just under 5% of the population.

And I'm sorry if I just can't see how revoking English as a Second Language funding is supposed to *help* people learn English. You did know that ESL teaches people English, right? Are people going to be more likely to learn English if they can't enroll in English classes?

That would be 15 million, I have seen estimates much higher.

It is true that the average speed of transport in London between 1875 and now has not changed, just a different type excrement to exhaust.

[Caladan 19]

So you're worried that the small numbers of legal immigrants are going to outstrip all of the illegals and citizens' combined?

You do realize that green card holders don't give birth to litters. I think you need to check your math, because I think you're proposing a birth rate that outstrips most developing countries.

(Plus, if I were clutching the pearls over immigration, I wouldn't be worried about the ones that loved the country so much they came legally. They've already bought into American values by putting up with the slice of Americana that is the Departments of State and Homeland Security.)

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

I looked it up and here is what I found:

The medium estimate is this for 2050 (the high and low estimates don't vary as much in the relative distribution as they do in the total numbers):

Total population: 394MM

This will break-down as follows:

Hispanic Origin: 96.5MM

Non-Hispanic Origin: 297.5MM

Of the non-hispanic population:

White: 208MM

Black: 53.5MM

American Indian: 3.5MM

Asian: 32.5MM

That's 25% or so of the US population of hispanic origin by 2050. How exactly does that translate into more people speaking Spanish than English? Is that statement for the Americas as a whole or are we projecting any territorial additions to the US between now and then?

Census Bureau - see pg. 20

[Caladan 19]

I'm more worried about green card holders reproducing like rabbits on Viagra... I mean, C. can't have the babies..... does this mean I am going to have to have all of his greenly-carded spawn?

[peezey 0]

If they're college aged, they're 18...and need to go home. I am not BLAMING them for their parents illegal actions at all...but WHY give up spots and FEDERAL FUNDS in college OVER legal residents of the United States? There are well deserving LEGAL kids that can hardly pay for college...why make it harder?

I feel badly for their parents mistakes...sure...but kids pay for their parents mistakes EVERY DAY.

What federal funds are you talking about?

[mawilson 2,133]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

Does the U.S. Census estimate how many Spanish-speaking people will also be bilingual?

Bilingualism can exist without diglossia - many Hispanics speak Spanish within their

families or with other Hispanics but English at school or with monolingual English friends.

[Boiler 45,813]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

I looked it up and here is what I found:

The medium estimate is this for 2050 (the high and low estimates don't vary as much in the relative distribution as they do in the total numbers):

Total population: 394MM

This will break-down as follows:

Hispanic Origin: 96.5MM

Non-Hispanic Origin: 297.5MM

Of the non-hispanic population:

White: 208MM

Black: 53.5MM

American Indian: 3.5MM

Asian: 32.5MM

That's 25% or so of the US population of hispanic origin by 2050. How exactly does that translate into more people speaking Spanish than English? Is that statement for the Americas as a whole or are we projecting any territorial additions to the US between now and then?

Census Bureau - see pg. 20

Every census I have seen has an overlap, Hispanic is a Subset of white as is Greek and Italian.

Reminds me of some date the UK Government did about the impact of enlarging the EU and granting I think Poles the right of abode in the UK, there were more Poles in Wrexham I think it was than they had estimated for the whole country.

But back to the US Census, what form of CIR are they assuming, what level of Border Security, what limit on family based applications.

US will be bankrupt long before then anyway.

[mawilson 2,133]

US will be bankrupt long before then anyway.

If we will be bankrupt, so will the rest of the world.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

I looked it up and here is what I found:

The medium estimate is this for 2050 (the high and low estimates don't vary as much in the relative distribution as they do in the total numbers):

Total population: 394MM

This will break-down as follows:

Hispanic Origin: 96.5MM

Non-Hispanic Origin: 297.5MM

Of the non-hispanic population:

White: 208MM

Black: 53.5MM

American Indian: 3.5MM

Asian: 32.5MM

That's 25% or so of the US population of hispanic origin by 2050. How exactly does that translate into more people speaking Spanish than English? Is that statement for the Americas as a whole or are we projecting any territorial additions to the US between now and then?

Census Bureau - see pg. 20

Every census I have seen has an overlap, Hispanic is a Subset of white as is Greek and Italian.

This one does, too. The percentage of the White population in 2050 is estimated at 75% while the percentage of the non-hispanic white population is estimated at 53%. Same for black (15.4% all and 13.6% non-hispanic). Based on that differentiation, the hispanic portion (whatever color) of the population by 2050 is estimated to be 24.5% or roughly one out of four. A far cry from a majority any way you look at it.

[Boiler 45,813]

The U.S. Census also estimates that by 2038 there will be more Spanish-speaking people in the U.S. than English speaking. (No link... if you wanna look it up, be my guest.)

I looked it up and here is what I found:

The medium estimate is this for 2050 (the high and low estimates don't vary as much in the relative distribution as they do in the total numbers):

Total population: 394MM

This will break-down as follows:

Hispanic Origin: 96.5MM

Non-Hispanic Origin: 297.5MM

Of the non-hispanic population:

White: 208MM

Black: 53.5MM

American Indian: 3.5MM

Asian: 32.5MM

That's 25% or so of the US population of hispanic origin by 2050. How exactly does that translate into more people speaking Spanish than English? Is that statement for the Americas as a whole or are we projecting any territorial additions to the US between now and then?

Census Bureau - see pg. 20

Every census I have seen has an overlap, Hispanic is a Subset of white as is Greek and Italian.

This one does, too. The percentage of the White population in 2050 is estimated at 75% while the percentage of the non-hispanic white population is estimated at 53%. Same for black (15.4% all and 13.6% non-hispanic). Based on that differentiation, the hispanic portion (whatever color) of the population by 2050 is estimated to be 24.5% or roughly one out of four. A far cry from a majority any way you look at it.

I never suggested there would be a majority, there probably will be in say California and Texas for example and probably not in say North Dakota.

Actually I think there is in Texas now.

But the only certainty is that those figures will be wrong.

[Boiler 45,813]

US will be bankrupt long before then anyway.

If we will be bankrupt, so will the rest of the world.

Why?

US population is a relatively small percentage of the Global population, so is the land mass and the resources.

30 years was the last estimate I saw, on current trends.

Not exactly a shortage of precedents, just a bit quicker in the modern age.