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'It is the firm belief of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community that all people should be able to peacefully practice their faith without fear of persecution or violence'

Ahmadiyya Muslim leaders in Glasgow have condemned a statement by the man accused of the murder of shopkeeper Asad Shah.

Known for their active missionary work and peaceful engagement with members of other faiths, Ahmadiyya Muslims like Mr Shah often face persecution within Islamic communities.

Tanveer Ahmed, 32, is accused of killing the 40-year-old Mr Shah in a sectarian attack.

In a statement issued through his lawyer, the Bradford taxi driver said: "Asad Shah disrespected the messenger of Islam, the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Mr Shah claimed to be a Prophet."

In response, Glasgow's Ahmadiyya leaders urged Muslim communities to resist "hate and violence".

Tributes left to Asad Shah outside his shop in Glasgow, where thousands gathered for a candle-lit vigil (PA)
"This is deeply disturbing and sets an extremely dangerous precedent, as it justifies the killing of anyone - Muslim or non-Muslim - whom an extremist considers to have shown disrespect to Islam," they said in a statement.

"In some countries Ahmadiyya Muslim members, Christians and people of other faiths are routinely attacked and murdered by extremists for accusations of blasphemy.

"Such killings are completely against the teachings of Islam. We must not let the same mindset of hate and violence take root here in Glasgow, and for that matter, the UK and anywhere in the world.

"The Ahmadiyya Muslim community urges the government and law enforcement agencies to take all possible measures to root out all forms of religious hatred, intolerance and sectarianism.

A fundraising page set up by Mr Shah's customers has received more than £70,000 in donations (GoFundMe)
"If extremists are given a free hand, we will come to see the same levels of religious hatred and persecution here in the UK that we see in some Muslim countries.

"It is the firm belief of the Ahmadiyya Muslim community that all people should be able to peacefully practice their faith without fear of persecution or violence.

"We urge all religious bodies, especially Muslim leaders and Imams, to come out in public to condemn this statement made by Tanveer Ahmed, so that all Muslims know this is never acceptable in Islam. This will go a long way to help eliminate all extremists."

Worldwide, an estimated 20 million Ahmadi Muslims face persecution for their beliefs, principally their veneration of 19th-century Indian teacher Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as the promised messiah.

In Mr Shah's place of birth, Pakistan, the world's largest population of Ahmadis are banned from referring to themselves as Muslims. In 2010, attacks on Ahmadi mosques in Lahore claimed the lives of 86 worshippers.

Ahmadis are also banned from entering Mecca in Saudia Arabia, and face institutional discrimination and extremist violence in parts of the Muslim world.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/asad-shah-glasgow-shopkeeper-muslim-condemn-murder-prophet-muhammad-disrespect-a6975001.html

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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These views (violence toward disrespecters, non-believers, etc.) are extremely common in islam. Very, very common. As you can tell from my signature, 86% of Egyptian muslims thinks a person who leaves the religion deserves death. Crazy stuff, which I why I conclude the religion is terrible and the world would be better without it and its practitioners lead better lives without it (unless the 86% of egyptian muslims find out about them leaving, that is).

Good luck!

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As I understand it RealMuslims consider these worse than Infidels.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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I don't think either of you have a clue what a Real Muslim is, but it is interesting to see the logic fail in this thread. After all the rhetoric demanding that Muslim leaders condemn acts of Radical Islamic hatred, and indeed posting an article where they do, the truth comes out and the two of you can't help but slam the entire twenty percent of the world's Muslim believers.

Brilliant.

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I don't think either of you have a clue what a Real Muslim is, but it is interesting to see the logic fail in this thread. After all the rhetoric demanding that Muslim leaders condemn acts of Radical Islamic hatred, and indeed posting an article where they do, the truth comes out and the two of you can't help but slam the entire twenty percent of the world's Muslim believers.

Brilliant.

If you read the whole piece the sect are calling out for Muslim leaders to condemn their persecution, now I am sure the Guardian would be very happy to cover this.

slam the entire twenty percent of the world's Muslim believers

It is not the 20% that are of concern, might think they are deluded.It is the 80% of the Prophets (blessings be upon him) followers that are the concern.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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If you read the whole piece the sect are calling out for Muslim leaders to condemn their persecution, now I am sure the Guardian would be very happy to cover this.

It is not the 20% that are of concern, might think they are deluded.It is the 80% of the Prophets (blessings be upon him) followers that are the concern.

If you had read the 9th word in the OP you posted you will see the point, and accuracy of my response.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that 80% figure was pulled straight out of your backside.

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and speculate that 80% figure was pulled straight out of your backside.

If my backside = your first post them yes. For the mathematically challenged 100 - 20 = 80.

An interesting Channel 4 Survey published today:

A majority of 52 per cent did not believe that homosexuality should be legal in Britain and 47 per cent believed it was unacceptable for homosexuals to teach in schools.

Thirty-two per cent refused to condemn people who commit violence against people who mocked the Prophet. Of further concern will be the revelation that only 34 per cent of British Muslims would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria.

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

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I will clarify. 20 percent in my post referred to the world's population who list Muslim as their religion. It is highly doubtful 80 percent of them fall into the Islamic Extremist/Terrorist category.

I think you are dodging the main point though. You regularly claim that Muslim leaders don't condemn Extremism, post an OP where Muslim leaders are doing just that, and you still cling to your misconception that the majority of Muslims are suspect and make fun of, belittle, and besmirch them as a whole.

B and J K-1 story

  • April 2004 met online
  • July 16, 2006 Met in person on her birthday in United Arab Emirates
  • August 4, 2006 sent certified mail I-129F packet Neb SC
  • August 9, 2006 NOA1
  • August 21, 2006 received NOA1 in mail
  • October 4, 5, 7, 13 & 17 2006 Touches! 50 day address change... Yes Judith is beautiful, quit staring at her passport photo and approve us!!! Shaming works! LOL
  • October 13, 2006 NOA2! November 2, 2006 NOA2? Huh? NVC already processed and sent us on to Abu Dhabi Consulate!
  • February 12, 2007 Abu Dhabi Interview SUCCESS!!! February 14 Visa in hand!
  • March 6, 2007 she is here!
  • MARCH 14, 2007 WE ARE MARRIED!!!
  • May 5, 2007 Sent AOS/EAD packet
  • May 11, 2007 NOA1 AOS/EAD
  • June 7, 2007 Biometrics appointment
  • June 8, 2007 first post biometrics touch, June 11, next touch...
  • August 1, 2007 AOS Interview! APPROVED!! EAD APPROVED TOO...
  • August 6, 2007 EAD card and Welcome Letter received!
  • August 13, 2007 GREEN CARD received!!! 375 days since mailing the I-129F!

    Remove Conditions:

  • May 1, 2009 first day to file
  • May 9, 2009 mailed I-751 to USCIS CS
 

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