Chicago's murder rate soars 72% in 2016

[Webdevman 93]

So how do they vote for their demise when both sides are crooked?

Gun laws are the problem in those areas. Everyone knows that gun control was designed for those neighborhoods. By disarming the citizens and letting the criminal element run rampart, folks are sitting ducks. They need to allow people to defend themselves since the cops don't care. It's by design that the most violent cities have the most strict gun control laws on the books.

Like I said "Nationwide" laws. Local laws do nothing. Any criminal anywhere can go to an easy buy state and buy guns from private sellers without any background checks or id at all.

Where are they getting all these guns? If guns were all registered to owners than perhaps gun owners would be more responsible about who gets their guns.

[Boiler 46,246]

Some stricter gun laws would help after awhile but nationwide laws. Local gun laws do practically nothing. In a city like that pretty much anyone can buy a gun for a couple hundred bucks right off the street.

And yes, address the root issues, maybe better education in those areas and more help with finding employment, etc.

Interesting, certainly in my State you can not buy guns on he street, perhaps they could start there?

Like I said "Nationwide" laws. Local laws do nothing. Any criminal anywhere can go to an easy buy state and buy guns from private sellers without any background checks or id at all.

Where are they getting all these guns? If guns were all registered to owners than perhaps gun owners would be more responsible about who gets their guns.

It is a State issue, certainly in Colorado you can not buy a gun without a background check or ID. Private seller or otherwise.

[Webdevman 93]

Interesting, certainly in my State you can not buy guns on he street, perhaps they could start there?

It is a State issue, certainly in Colorado you can not buy a gun without a background check or ID. Private seller or otherwise.

I'm sure people never cross a state border to do anything illegal..especially criminals. They would never do that.

In most cities across the USA you can not a gun illegally if you either know where to look or if you spend time looking.

Tell me, where do you think these criminals get those guns?

It would be pretty easy to go to certain states and not a few guns and then sell elsewhere for a profit. We even Mexican cartels coming into the USA to buy guns to bring back to Mexico.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Like I said "Nationwide" laws. Local laws do nothing. Any criminal anywhere can go to an easy buy state and buy guns from private sellers without any background checks or id at all.

Where are they getting all these guns? If guns were all registered to owners than perhaps gun owners would be more responsible about who gets their guns.

I wish that was a feasible solution. No way they'd pass something like that since it affects a majority of the population. That's why I made that statement. As long as the selected people are the only/mostly ones dying, nothing will change.

They get them from the street. Or someone's house. Remember, in those cities, the cops aren't really out there doing a good job. I should know, I'm from on of the top ten most dangerous cities in the US.

[eieio 1,594]

Trying to solve this problem by focusing on guns is a waste of time. This needs to be addressed in two ways. Short term and long term. The short term solution is easy. Gang task forces targeting gangs. Everyone knows who is causing most of the deaths. Unfortunately....this would be seen as "racist" so nothing will be done.

The long term solution is much more difficult and may take generations to achieve...if ever. Education,jobs,two parent families,etc.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Trying to solve this problem by focusing on guns is a waste of time. This needs to be addressed in two ways. Short term and long term. The short term solution is easy. Gang task forces targeting gangs. Everyone knows who is causing most of the deaths. Unfortunately....this would be seen as "racist" so nothing will be done.

The long term solution is much more difficult and may take generations to achieve...if ever. Education,jobs,two parent families,etc.

How would it be seen as racist?

[eieio 1,594]

Targeting gangs which are almost exclusively minorities.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

My suggestion for those who have the means to do, move. Most of the people involved in this stuff are born into useless families (normally not even a family) and have nobody to show them any decent guidance, so by the time they are a teenager it is petty crime then turns into major and then prison. Short of shipping teach kid born in the inner city into a decent family somewhere else on the planet the cycle continues gen after gen. Nothing will fix this, hence why people with money just move and let them kill each other.

That would be my advice if someone from this area asked me what they should do. It may not be the best solution for the area as a whole but it is the best choice for someone living in that situation.

There is an entire sub culture here that is anti-education, glorifies crime and builds reputations based on spent time in jail, and is anti-police. We can go round and round about what is cause and what is effect but this can't be fixed from the outside without wholesale changes and buy-in from those on the inside. They are unwilling to make those changes so those that want something different should just leave.

Sounds a little like the EU migrant debate - only in this case it is legal and their right to do so.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Targeting gangs which are almost exclusively minorities.

You kidding right? Gangs come in all colors, including the majority has plenty of gangs as well.

OR maybe we should target all males between the ages of 15-60 being that most killings are exclusively carried out by males of all races?

[Boiler 46,246]

You kidding right? Gangs come in all colors, including the majority has plenty of gangs as well.

OR maybe we should target all males between the ages of 15-60 being that most killings are exclusively carried out by males of all races?

You have proven, presumably inadvertently, the reason it can not be solved.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

You have proven, presumably inadvertently, the reason it can not be solved.

How so?

You have proven, presumably inadvertently, the reason it can not be solved.

How so?

[Boiler 46,246]

Trying to solve this problem by focusing on guns is a waste of time. This needs to be addressed in two ways. Short term and long term. The short term solution is easy. Gang task forces targeting gangs. Everyone knows who is causing most of the deaths. Unfortunately....this would be seen as "racist" so nothing will be done.

The long term solution is much more difficult and may take generations to achieve...if ever. Education,jobs,two parent families,etc.

Already been answered.

[ExPatty 502]

Gun laws don't account for a massive increase since last year. Although stricter gun laws may help eventually, most people who own guns are not involved in this kind of thing. I have little desire to see my rights infringed because some 18 year old can't keep her legs together over and over and over so she has a bunch of kids she can't parent and they are raised by idiotic friends who have no interest in school. There is a reason why inner city people are responsible for virtually all gun murders despite not even owning as many guns as people in the suburbs and rural.

Fix the family situation, you fix the situation. It isn't guns, it isn't the schools. It is the families--or specifically lack thereof.

[Boiler 46,246]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/business/media/wendy-bell-pittsburgh-tv-anchor-fired-facebook-post.html

This was on the radio yesterday, sort of also explains why this issue can not be dealt with, you can not deal with something you can not discuss.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

You have proven, presumably inadvertently, the reason it can not be solved.

No, what you've proven is that unless it's targeted at minorites, you're not interested in hearing it. The guy who shot up the theater in Colorado wasn't black or Hispanic. Sandy Hook wasn't perpetrated by one either. Folks who kill their families and themselves aren't exclusively black or Hispanic. The worse mass shooting seen in the US was committed by a Korean-American.

Do blacks and Hispanics make up the most of these senseless killings? Yes they do. But to say we should just target them exclusively, while white/other races get guns and kill folks gets overlooked because of their racial make up is just wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/01/business/media/wendy-bell-pittsburgh-tv-anchor-fired-facebook-post.html

This was on the radio yesterday, sort of also explains why this issue can not be dealt with, you can not deal with something you can not discuss.

Wrong again. To say they're all black males is false. Unless you want to show me that 100% of murders are committed by black men, then it's a false narrative. Because when white young boys go shoot up a school, mall, movie theater, or anywhere else, we don't have this conversation.