‘Go Back to Auschwitz’ and ‘Go Back to Africa’ Yelled Outside Trump Rally

[Jacque67 7,328]

[OriZ 3,157]

And his manliness.

[Jacque67 7,328]

major fail

[OriZ 3,157]

Yup, exactly.

I will point out a few ideas to lower tuition later tonight if I have the time.

One other change would be the eligibility would be different, so more people would quality for aid(this would be offset by the other criteria) and not have to go through student loans.

only one ####### here that I can see, I get satisfied;)

Funny, my wife keeps telling me this song reminds her of me.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Looks like you're missing something Oriz.

Edited March 18, 2016 by Teddy B

[Jacque67 7,328]

One other change would be the eligibility would be different, so more people would quality for aid(this would be offset by the other criteria) and not have to go through student loans.

Funny, my wife keeps telling me this song reminds her of me.

go get some icecream.

Ohh they have run away ... Totally not waiting.

One other change would be the eligibility would be different, so more people would quality for aid(this would be offset by the other criteria) and not have to go through student loans.

Funny, my wife keeps telling me this song reminds her of me.

puke. WhAts Her gofundme ?

[smilesammich 10,727]

my short, concise assertion that college and trade education should be free for anyone who wants to go to a state/community institution was completely ignored by the residing vj patriarchy because i completely failed to pontificate in a long drawn out manner. i also failed to properly use my keen cut and paste skill set as has been exemplified to me, time and time again, in this forum of wise and learned men. for that, i am extremely sorry. in attempt to make amends i have made the intro to this vj post long winded and i'm purposefully dancing around the point all while weaving a stream of words that are a mixture of necessity and extravagance. now, what were we talking to ourselves about, what problem were we solving for the world - oh yes. public education. while seems to me that some posters here can only view higher education as either a government or private institution - as if these two types of institutions of learning can't coexist -much as they do now, at the elementary level. if you have money - pay to go to a private higher institution of learning. good for you money bags! if you cannot afford to go to said private institutions, the government should provide public higher education free of cost. the money is there, i'm sure no one is even reading this anymore so i won't go into detail with 'ideas' as to how to pay for this and insult you with trying to pawn these 'ideas' off as my own. instead, i will utilize the copy and paste skills i spoke of eariler. please do not simply skim, as oriz and other smart ones have so often displayed, a wall of text is never an affront to genuine ingenuity, a wall of text is only an affront to those who chose not to waste their time reading.

In 1877, Rutherford B. Hayes became the first president to make a strong case for universally available public education. “Universal suffrage should rest upon universal education,” he said in his inaugural address, adding that “liberal and permanent provision should be made for the support of free schools.” Hayes, a Republican, didn’t worry that some poor kid might benefit from access to “free stuff,” nor did he believe that the children of wealthy elites should be excluded from the universal nature of the program. For him, education was the basis for full economic and political participation, and full participation was the basis for all prosperity. An education should be available to all regardless of anyone’s station.

Today, there is universal access to free, public schools across the United States for kindergarten through 12th grade. That didn’t happen by presidential decree. It took populist pressure from the progressive movement, beginning in the 1890s, to make widespread access to free public schools a reality. By 1940, half of all young people were graduating from high school. As of 2013, that number was 81 percent. But that achievement is no longer enough. A college degree is the new high school diploma.

[What Bernie Sanders’s rise means for American politics]

In the 1950s and 1960s, it was possible to graduate from high school and move right into a decent-paying job with good benefits. Strong unions offered apprenticeships, and a large manufacturing sector provided opportunities for those without an advanced degree. A couple with a sole breadwinner could buy a home, raise a family and send their kids to college. That was the American dream. Unfortunately, today, for too many Americans, it’s not a possibility.

An important pathway to the middle class now runs through higher education, but rising costs are making it harder and harder for ordinary Americans to get the education they want and need. In 1978, it was possible to earn enough money to pay for a year of college tuition just by working a summer job that paid minimum wage. Today, it would take a minimum wage worker an entire year to earn enough to cover the annual in-state tuition at a public university. And that’s why so many bright young people don’t go to college, don’t finish or graduate deeply in debt. With $1.3 trillion in student loans, Americans are carrying more student debt than credit card or auto-loan debt. That’s a tragedy for our young people and for our nation.

In my view, education is essential for personal and national well-being. We live in a highly competitive, global economy, and if our economy is to be strong, we need the best-educated workforce in the world. We won’t achieve that if, every year, hundreds of thousands of bright young people cannot afford to go to college while millions more leave school deeply in debt. We need to ensure that every young person in this country who wishes to go to college can get the education that he or she desires, without going into debt and regardless of his or her family’s income.

It may seem hard to believe, but there was a time when higher education was pretty close to free in this country, at least for many Americans. After World War II, the GI Bill gave free education to more than 2 million veterans, many of whom would otherwise never have been able to go to college. This benefited them, and it was good for the economy and the country, too. In fact,scholars say that this investment was a major reason for the high productivity and economic growth our nation enjoyed during the postwar years. And, in certain states, such as California and New York, tuition was so low that college was practically free for much of the 20th century. That is no longer the case in America, but free college is still a priority in many parts of the world.

In Finland, Denmark, Ireland, Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Mexico, public colleges and universities remain tuition-free. They’re free throughout Germany, too, and not just for Germans or Europeans but for international citizens as well. That’s why every year, more than 4,600 students leave the United States and enroll in German universities. For a token fee of about $200 per year, an American can earn a degree in math or engineering from one of the premier universities in Europe. Governments in these countries understand what an important investment they are making, not just in the individuals who are able to acquire knowledge and skills but for the societies these students will serve as teachers, architects, scientists, entrepreneurs and more.

It is time to build on the progressive movement of the past and make public colleges and universities tuition-free in the United States — a development that will be the driver of a new era of American prosperity. We will have a stronger economy and a stronger democracy when all young people with the ambition and the talent can reach their full potential, regardless of their circumstances at birth.

https://www.washingt...eb69_story.html

[OriZ 3,157]

Looks like you're missing something Oriz.

Hey that's actually quite funny.

[Expat1 971]

Looks like you're missing something Oriz.

Animate that thing and it will keep jacque occupied for days

[ExPatty 502]

love the eagle...

It was even more awesome when I realized it's a metaphor. Most of this election can be distilled down to animated gifs.

----

As for the definition of phobia, anybody who doesn't like it, refer to DSM V.

----

Re. college tuitions are a running joke. We all know it, colleges know it, students know it, everyone does. Free college is probably a bad idea, at some point we need to accept a minimum standard of education above which the government is no longer on the hook (currently grade 12) and that education needs to have a financial payback. That's why free tuition to pay for the study of underwater basket weaving doesn't serve a public good. Canada strikes a superior balance to the US. It's not free, you still need to pay for it, but it's not as obscene as down here. Nonetheless, too many people spend time and money on toilet paper degrees. But we see in the US that even obscene tuition do not scare a lot of people from toilet paper degrees, either.

[Rob L 3,811]

And his manliness.

Now if you will excuse me I have a copy "300 A Rise of An Empire" calling my name

[Dakine10 5,452]

because no one ever gets a tattoo without knowing fully what it means......

http://mentalfloss.com/article/20756/tattoo-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means

Most people do know. When said tattoo brings up 36 million google hits, and considering the circumstances, there's not much doubt to give the benefit of.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Phobia requires a fear to be irrational. A better phrase for trump is nationalist, you could even use jingoist.

Fascism I will certainly grant you, Trump has said some fascist things.

Trump himself is more of a nativist, or at least he's playing one on TV. Xenophobic, I'm talking about some of the element that support him, and there's more than a few of them.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Most people do know. When said tattoo brings up 36 million google hits, and considering the circumstances, there's not much doubt to give the benefit of.

if you think so. i'd not be surprised if some in this thread didn't know what it meant.

[yuna628 9,676]

Thoughts on free tuition: I think we can all agree that college tuition is without a doubt mind-blowingly high. For a degree of my choice in a field I wanted as a newly graduated teen back in the day with good grades, the complete tuition for the particular institution was nearly $100,000. You can imagine of course degrees for even more specific fields that go beyond that price. I had a friend that eventually earned a masters in architecture, then went on to teaching - the amount she owes now is astronomical even with multiple grants.

In the UK my husband holds a master level degree in his field, and while he has loans to repay they are no where near the cost an American college would. So at times I am baffled why such a loan is much cheaper there for an excellent education compared to here.

The cost of tuition though is not necessarily an indicator or motivator of if a person chooses to remain in college or pay their loans or even get good grades. I often find the logic of ''if a person is paying a lot of money for something.. they're going to take more care and pride in what they do'' to be kind of false. We all probably know of persons that racked up loans and then either dropped out or were rather aimless in their educational motivation. Even in the UK my husband knew these kind of kids... (not to mention the ones that wouldn't pull their weight in group assignments resulting in pulling the grade down for the whole group.. or those that would coast through and bribe people to do the work for them).

I don't feel overall that easy student loans are entirely responsible for inflated tuition. We have extremely high operating costs for some of these places, including huge sports programs that have kids basically float through their grades or any book learning so long as they are good on the playing field. Some states have also slashed a great deal of funding to public colleges, the result is to raise the tuition even higher to cover the loss. Are many of these places even charging a reasonable or fair sum to operate? This money isn't even always going to pay teachers better either.. it's purely administrative costs.

My county has a pretty good community college which a lot of people often recommend as a way for a person to learn a trade and find a better job: but these days I see jobs that are looking for kids that have completed 4yr college.. and not those with a certificate or an associates degree or from a trade school. Some community colleges or trade schools also do not always offer the immersion and specific honed teaching that a big college can. I wish that we had a bigger emphasis on good community colleges though. We're telling kids they need to go into extreme debt to obtain a good job or be successful. Is that how we should be as a society?

I think we could also all agree that many kids these days are severely lacking skills to get a job, beyond flipping burgers. I've also noticed a lack of employers that are willing to train people into their profession. The education problem starts with whatever education is available to a person from an early age.. take another friend of mine for example who homeschooled her daughter. She's reaching the age now where it's time to start thinking about college. The problem is the child feels like what she learned school-wise hasn't prepared her for college in the first place. She hasn't got a single clue what degree or vocation to pick. She doesn't want to be a burger flipper, but she doesn't want to be riddled with debt picking a course of study she's aimless in either. I often see employers looking for potential candidates with degrees for entry level jobs that no way they even require a degree to do the job (they aren't even asking for people with a specific degree.. just a degree in anything). In some public schools often kids come out having no skills, no internship or training, no motivation, and no hope.

So OriZ: I'd be interested in knowing how you feel tuitions can be lowered fairly, because the entire thing isn't just a money problem. Free college for all isn't the answer to me either. It's unrealistic nonsense.