Just Complaining

[J. Canuck 0]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

An irelevant argument. The issues over occupation of the US territory by Europeans has been adjudicated over two centuries and is pretty much settled. American Indian remuniation, Canada and South American issues included, is an area of history and law I cut my teeth on. Conquering those who you can to take what you can is a practice as old as humanity, and certainly not limited to Europeans. Victimization of indigenous peoles by Americans is not a viable position re this issue. What's done is done, and you start where you are now. There's no chance of resettling that again.

That *seems* to be more your personal interpretation of what was posted, and not what notre.... was actually saying.

Stating the obvious. Everything posted in response to anyone is their personal interpretation of what the person you are responding to said, including your comments to me.

There are two major legs holding up America's economy.

One is China: low manufacturing costs + major purchaser of US debt. China sneezes, US markets suddenly drop 400-some points, erasing a lot of gain made recently.

The other is, basically, illegal immigrants. As long as there are illegals willing to work for less, there will be employers willing to pay them less ((and the employers are often ignored or forgotten by people who discuss / rant about illegals)). Illegals, with lower wages, whatever taxes for goods & services that they do pay, etc., end up contributing a hell of a lot more ((memory fails me, but I believe it was several billions to a few tens of billions of dollars)) more than what they suck out and "send home."

Without either of these two factors, the US economy would, at the very least, be in serious danger of outright collapse. No amount of money printed by the mint or adjustments by the ((illegal)) Federal Reserve would be much help.

Sure, the current President isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer, so to speak, but not everyone advising him is stupid. Otherwise, I don't think we would see Bush actually trying diplomacy with Mexico in regards to this issue, let alone with Iran or North Korea. Most likely, it would be a thirty foot fence, with electrified razor wire, Predator drones with Hellfires, minefields, and National Guard units pulled away from the Gulf Coast reconstruction efforts...which would just make America look even more foolish and paranoid than it has been lately.

My concern about illegals in no way precludes my concerns about the entire plan to hose Americans to appease the greed of international corparations. But, do nothing? Say nothing? Take no position other than to bend over and let nature take its course? That seems to be the Canadan position, for sure. Up in Canada, you are being affected by the New World Order Serenity and Prosperity Partnership, as well. Are you aware of that? Or maybe it's ok and there is no need to respond to what's happening. Then, that would be foolish. I know I'm not being paranoid.

Do you recall the station / date? I would like to see if I can find that. Being Canadian, I have a fair bit of experience with sovereignty movements (First Nations, Quebec, and even to an extent, Newfoundland & Labrador) and how bloody difficult it would actually be for one to succeed without major economic support from outside, which really defeats the whole "sovereign" angle.

East LA isn't looking to be sovereign, just a separate city from the rest of LA. Neil Cavuto also did a segment about it on his show today, interviewing an advocate for the move.

Lady, it's not the pants that make you look fat, it's your head being firmly up your ### that does it.

After browsing through some other forums, it's clear that a good 50% of the regulars here are smarmy, arrogant little children like yourself who are more interested in being right than having any kind of a sane, intelligent discussion.

Nuts to this ######, I'm going to delete my account and go somewhere more mature, like MySpace.

To the other 50% who are here for advice or to give advice, good luck & hang in there.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

When you have to resort to insults, you have lost the debate.

Edited March 15, 2007 by Green-eyed girl

[brnidokiegurl 0]

I started it, seems the issue WAS being discussed quite well enduring over 600 views and 4 pages i guess if your unhappy with the results, dont let the door hit ya

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

I'll make sure to use this argument when we discuss North African Muslims taking over Europe.

[Ban Hammer 13,637]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa asia. So Africans asians are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

much better now.

Edited March 15, 2007 by charlesandnessa

[almaty 19]

"Nuts to this ######, I'm going to delete my account and go somewhere more mature, like MySpace.

To the other 50% who are here for advice or to give advice, good luck & hang in there. "

jcanuck, you lasted 2 days..enjoy crusing my space

[brnidokiegurl 0]

((it's clear that a good 50% of the regulars here are smarmy, arrogant little children like yourself who are more interested in being right than having any kind of a sane, intelligent discussion.))

Charles wonder which half we are in??

[mybackpages 0]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

Don't you mean Asia? not Africa?

[Nagishkaw 510]

FIRST NATIONS walked over the Barring Straights . I hear they' re charging us a buck a head to walk back over it.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

How many Vjers have I run off now? Just call me "The Terminator"

[Niels Bohr 72]

Selfish people! You have to be ashamed of yourself for treating kids equally as adults.

Edited March 15, 2007 by consolemaster

[Ban Hammer 13,637]

((it's clear that a good 50% of the regulars here are smarmy, arrogant little children like yourself who are more interested in being right than having any kind of a sane, intelligent discussion.))

Charles wonder which half we are in??

flip a coin.

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

Don't you mean Asia? not Africa?

already noted.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

Don't you mean Asia? not Africa?

They went through Asia but originated in Africa.

[mybackpages 0]

Firstly, what legals? This continent was inhabited, and Europeans, in the mad quest for $$$ and power, came in under at best misleading pretenses and took over. Anyone descended from Europeans born in America is descended from illegal immigrants, at least in part.

Wow. Learn some history. No one was in North America to start. The native Americans walked here from Africa. So Africans are the only true people.

What are you doing here? You MAY leave the US you know. No one if forcing you to stay with a bunch of dirty European trash.

Don't you mean Asia? not Africa?

They went through Asia but originated in Africa.

Didn't everyone?