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Filed: Citizen (apr) Country: Ecuador
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The letter also says courts must give defendants adequate notice when enforcing fines or fees, should not use arrest warrants to coerce the payment of court debt and should not impose bonds that a defendant has no ability to pay.
A suburban city near me has been advertising a "warrant roundup," saying that if folks with outstanding warrants (I think for traffic tickets, but maybe more) come in to take care of them, there will be no other repercussions. This seems to handle the "adequate notice" of above, but the other two elements of coercion and financial imposition might be in doubt.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Israel
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Well, duh. I definitely agree and you would think that would be a given. If you HAVE the money and won't pay it that's different. If you don't have the money how is jailing you going to help you get the money?

09/14/2012: Sent I-130
10/04/2012: NOA1 Received
12/11/2012: NOA2 Received
12/18/2012: NVC Received Case
01/08/2013: Received Case Number/IIN; DS-3032/I-864 Bill
01/08/2013: DS-3032 Sent
01/18/2013: DS-3032 Accepted; Received IV Bill
01/23/2013: Paid I-864 Bill; Paid IV Bill
02/05/2013: IV Package Sent
02/18/2013: AOS Package Sent
03/22/2013: Case complete
05/06/2013: Interview Scheduled

06/05/2013: Visa issued!

06/28/2013: VISA RECEIVED

07/09/2013: POE - EWR. Went super fast and easy. 5 minutes of waiting and then just a signature and finger print.

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05/06/2016: One month late - overnighted form N-400.

06/01/2016: Original Biometrics appointment, had to reschedule due to being away.

07/01/2016: Biometrics Completed.

08/17/2016: Interview scheduled & approved.

09/16/2016: Scheduled oath ceremony.

09/16/2016: THE END - 4 year long process all done!

 

 

Filed: Other Country: Russia
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Well, duh. I definitely agree and you would think that would be a given. If you HAVE the money and won't pay it that's different. If you don't have the money how is jailing you going to help you get the money?

Willful refusal to pay a fine is a different scenario. The biggest inconsistency is how judges make that determination. There is not universal guidelines. Ideally they would look at income, debt and things like that but I have read about judges making the decision base on what you're wearing at the court appearance.

It shouldn't come down to you have a nice jacket so you must be able to pay. Judges are wrong too often for that.

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Willful refusal to pay a fine is a different scenario. The biggest inconsistency is how judges make that determination. There is not universal guidelines. Ideally they would look at income, debt and things like that but I have read about judges making the decision base on what you're wearing at the court appearance.

It shouldn't come down to you have a nice jacket so you must be able to pay. Judges are wrong too often for that.

makes no sense to do it that way, lots of people i know donate clothing that is practically new. my mom has been known to buy nice coats on clearance, hold on to the through the summer, just to give away the following fall with the tags still on. there are non profits that pretty much only give people makeovers and decent clothes for job interviews. ugh, maddening.

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Instead of fining people that cannot afford to pay, they should be sentenced to some type of community service. as the old saying goes, "you can't get blood from a stone".


makes no sense to do it that way, lots of people i know donate clothing that is practically new. my mom has been known to buy nice coats on clearance, hold on to the through the summer, just to give away the following fall with the tags still on. there are non profits that pretty much only give people makeovers and decent clothes for job interviews. ugh, maddening.

Does your Mom wear the coats to court with the tags still on them?

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Instead of fining people that cannot afford to pay, they should be sentenced to some type of community service. as the old saying goes, "you can't get blood from a stone".

also, on the flip side - a 100$ fine to a person with money isn't really the same thing to a person who might save a year for an extra 100$..kwim?

Does your Mom wear the coats to court with the tags still on them?

please, that look went out with kriss kross.

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Israel
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Willful refusal to pay a fine is a different scenario. The biggest inconsistency is how judges make that determination. There is not universal guidelines. Ideally they would look at income, debt and things like that but I have read about judges making the decision base on what you're wearing at the court appearance.

It shouldn't come down to you have a nice jacket so you must be able to pay. Judges are wrong too often for that.

I definitely agree. They should look at how much you are actually able to pay, if you have any disposable income at all. If you don't, well there are other ways besides jail to make sure you can at least pay something or contribute in some other fashion.

09/14/2012: Sent I-130
10/04/2012: NOA1 Received
12/11/2012: NOA2 Received
12/18/2012: NVC Received Case
01/08/2013: Received Case Number/IIN; DS-3032/I-864 Bill
01/08/2013: DS-3032 Sent
01/18/2013: DS-3032 Accepted; Received IV Bill
01/23/2013: Paid I-864 Bill; Paid IV Bill
02/05/2013: IV Package Sent
02/18/2013: AOS Package Sent
03/22/2013: Case complete
05/06/2013: Interview Scheduled

06/05/2013: Visa issued!

06/28/2013: VISA RECEIVED

07/09/2013: POE - EWR. Went super fast and easy. 5 minutes of waiting and then just a signature and finger print.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

05/06/2016: One month late - overnighted form N-400.

06/01/2016: Original Biometrics appointment, had to reschedule due to being away.

07/01/2016: Biometrics Completed.

08/17/2016: Interview scheduled & approved.

09/16/2016: Scheduled oath ceremony.

09/16/2016: THE END - 4 year long process all done!

 

 

Filed: Other Country: England
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For the most part, despite obvious ways this can be abused, I'm for it. But I'd like the DOJ to start using these supposed interpretations of the constitution to do a great deal more, if they are genuinely concerned with unreasonable punishments. No more civil forfeiture, no more mandatory sentences for any crime ever, no more capital punishment. Everybody knows the US has too many people in prison.

Good luck!

Filed: Other Country: Russia
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makes no sense to do it that way, lots of people i know donate clothing that is practically new. my mom has been known to buy nice coats on clearance, hold on to the through the summer, just to give away the following fall with the tags still on. there are non profits that pretty much only give people makeovers and decent clothes for job interviews. ugh, maddening.

It's not a reliable way to determine if someone can't pay or if they have willfully decided not to pay. It's troubling to me when the justice system is willing to sacrifice innocent people because they are so over eager to catch the guy who is pulling a fast one.

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Filed: Other Country: Russia
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Instead of fining people that cannot afford to pay, they should be sentenced to some type of community service. as the old saying goes, "you can't get blood from a stone".

Fine's have become more of a source of revenue for some districts than a punitive measure. They are very aggressive, even creative about getting the money.

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Filed: Other Country: Russia
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I definitely agree. They should look at how much you are actually able to pay, if you have any disposable income at all. If you don't, well there are other ways besides jail to make sure you can at least pay something or contribute in some other fashion.

The cost of keeping someone in jail should be enough to make them look at every other option available. It doesn't make sense to spend thousands of dollars incarcerating someone over a few hundred dollars.

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Fine's have become more of a source of revenue for some districts than a punitive measure. They are very aggressive, even creative about getting the money.

If the gov't really wanted to be creative they would use the community service angle to eliminate having to pay for services that anyone could do, such as cleaning up parks or cleaning and painting gov't facilities. They already use prisoners for some of this, why not people who cannot afford to pay fines? I bet in the long run it would be cheaper than constantly running someone through the system in order to collect a measly fine.

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The cost of keeping someone in jail should be enough to make them look at every other option available. It doesn't make sense to spend thousands of dollars incarcerating someone over a few hundred dollars.

unless the government is actually making money keeping the jails full. they ain't full of the rich, that's for sure.

Filed: K-1 Visa Country: United Kingdom
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Willful refusal to pay a fine is a different scenario. The biggest inconsistency is how judges make that determination. There is not universal guidelines. Ideally they would look at income, debt and things like that but I have read about judges making the decision base on what you're wearing at the court appearance.

It shouldn't come down to you have a nice jacket so you must be able to pay. Judges are wrong too often for that.

A guy in an ill fitting suit-the defendant

 

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