my other trump salute thread

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I couldn't help but notice that your signature tries to convince us that during Bush's term gas prices were sky high, while during Obama's term they are extremely low. Now this may sound like I'm being petty and going off topic, but I think it reflects the way facts are being processed by some people and presented in the complete opposite way than they should be. This is completely relevant where Trump, Clinton, or racism is concerned let alone the economy.

So LETS STOP THE MADDNESS!

Here are some quick facts:

In Bush's first 4 years, prices were around $1.5-2 a gallon.

Then they started creeping up, and reached about $3.5 in 2007.

In 2008 for a very short time before peaking, they reached $4.5 and then dropped back to under $2 by the end of 2008.

On the other hand, Obama got gas prices at under $2 in 2009, which then rose steadily into the end of 2011 to over $4, before peaking(predictably, I should say) and dropping to where they are today.

In other words, whoever prepared that silly thing captured the one moment where it was high for one and the one moment where it's low for another and tried to paint a picture which could not be further from the truth, but that is what some people are up to these days.

Now, in any case, neither presidents really have anything to do with the price of gas despite what they might have you believe.

Nice try though.

i can't help but notice in her signature a member was completely and utterly a disgusting human being towards for asking a question. But Obama was the only thing that caught your eye since you have this thing about bashing him whenever you can.

For someone who hates hearing about racism, I guess it doesn't bother you when it's being heaped on someone, just if the person complains about it.

Nice catch on the gas price meme, because that's clearly the most important thing in her sig.

[OriZ 3,157]

i can't help but notice in her signature a member was completely and utterly a disgusting human being towards for asking a question. But Obama was the only thing that caught your eye since you have this thing about bashing him whenever you can.

For someone who hates hearing about racism, I guess it doesn't bother you when it's being heaped on someone, just if the person complains about it.

Nice catch on the gas price meme, because that's clearly the most important thing in her sig.

I would go there again but the problem is we've had this discussion maybe 4 times in the last 2 months, getting kind of boring.

I don't care about what else was in the signature. I wasn't around all day, I've clearly missed all the fun, but I did notice you all did a nice job of already covering it over a few pages that I glanced over. It's all yours.

The gas price meme is not important, it is extremely important and telling, of many things.

Doesn't bother me if it's being heaped on someone LOL...yeah, I never face it. Just yesterday a Jewish person in Uruguay was stabbed to death by a Muslim - anybody even hear of that?

Knock knock, you're not the only person in the world facing racism. Most people just don't complain about it 24/7.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I would go there again but the problem is we've had this discussion maybe 4 times in the last 2 months, getting kind of boring.

I don't care about what else was in the signature. I wasn't around all day, I've clearly missed all the fun, but I did notice you all did a nice job of already covering it over a few pages that I glanced over. It's all yours.

The gas price meme is not important, it is extremely important and telling, of many things.

Doesn't bother me if it's being heaped on someone LOL...yeah, I never face it. Just yesterday a Jewish person in Uruguay was stabbed to death by a Muslim - anybody even hear of that?

Knock knock, you're not the only person in the world facing racism. Most people just don't complain about it 24/7.

So tell me, what hardships do you face in VT? I mean clearly you must feel the racism that you claim happens to everyone.

Hey, what about here? Post some anti-Jewish threads that populate this forum. You know, since you have it so bad that you posting about a person getting stabbed in Uruguay which translate to what exactly I have no idea...

[Jacque67 7,328]

I would go there again but the problem is we've had this discussion maybe 4 times in the last 2 months, getting kind of boring.

I don't care about what else was in the signature. I wasn't around all day, I've clearly missed all the fun, but I did notice you all did a nice job of already covering it over a few pages that I glanced over. It's all yours.

The gas price meme is not important, it is extremely important and telling, of many things.

Doesn't bother me if it's being heaped on someone LOL...yeah, I never face it. Just yesterday a Jewish person in Uruguay was stabbed to death by a Muslim - anybody even hear of that?

Knock knock, you're not the only person in the world facing racism. Most people just don't complain about it 24/7.

But a while back you were very concerned about what was happening in Israel/Palenstine, and posting long texts to raise people's awareness . Why didn't you create a thread about the stabbing of the Jewish person in Uruguay? You are aware of it. Have you just given up ?

[Jacque67 7,328]

http://emanuelskirballnyc.org/events/why-blacklivesmatter-is-a-jewish-issue/

Interesting read about why blm is a Jewish issue.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

On the invitation of Dr. Martin Luther King in 1964, a group of 17 rabbis traveled to Florida to protest segregation, where they were arrested. From their jail cell the rabbis wrote about their decision to speak out for racial justice: “If we are a chosen people, let this be what we have been chosen for. We speak because we cannot not speak.”

Recent events show that injustice persists in communities across America in myriad ways. Stirred to action, a new generation of activists are catalyzing a national conversation about systemic racism under the powerful banner that #BlackLivesMatter. Join us for an important conversation about the ways in which this movement to end anti-Black racism is inescapably a Jewish issue.

Good read Jacques. Oriz, do you stand with this?

[Jacque67 7,328]

So tell me, what hardships do you face in VT? I mean clearly you must feel the racism that you claim happens to everyone.

Hey, what about here? Post some anti-Jewish threads that populate this forum. You know, since you have it so bad that you posting about a person getting stabbed in Uruguay which translate to what exactly I have no idea...

Thing is, I think outside of a major metropolitan area, most Christian folks aren't going to come into contact with a Jewish person. That is why there aren't many, if any, anti-Jewish threads on VJ. The racists here are more likely to have daily contact with a black person.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.693430

Another good read.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

Just popping in to say Hai! to my laydeez, Jacque and Janelle (and val if she gets here before this is closed). Thank you for keeping the CABA evil flowing while I'm up to my ears in work and school.

[Jacque67 7,328]

Just popping in to say Hai! to my laydeez, Jacque and Janelle (and val if she gets here before this is closed). Thank you for keeping the CABA evil flowing while I'm up to my ears in work and school.

Yo! Thanks for popping in. Been an exciting few days;)

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Thing is, I think outside of a major metropolitan area, most Christian folks aren't going to come into contact with a Jewish person. That is why there aren't many, if any, anti-Jewish threads on VJ. The racists here are more likely to have daily contact with a black person.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.693430

Another good read.

I saw that too. It's a shame we can't come together for a common cause.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Just popping in to say Hai! to my laydeez, Jacque and Janelle (and val if she gets here before this is closed). Thank you for keeping the CABA evil flowing while I'm up to my ears in work and school.

Hi! Much love to you! Study hard and don't let vj distract you! Can't believe Marv married a CABA. Shutter...

[Janelle2002 3,865]

When Jews learn about civil rights, they learn about it through a Jewish lens. They focus on stories where Jews are central, like the 1964 murder of Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner, two young Jewish civil rights workers who were killed by members of the KKK along with James Chaney, a young black activist. Or through visible figures like Rabbi Israel Dresner and Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, who then come to represent the entire Jewish community.

U.S. President Barack Obama and Former U.S. President George W. Bush lead the commemorations for the 50-year anniversary of the civil rights marches in Selma, March 7, 2015 AP

But some activists and historians worry that the celebration of the Jewish contribution glosses over the fact that not all Jews were on board with the cause, which then scrubs out opportunities for self-reflection. Though many Jews took action, many did not. Southern Jews, for example, immersed in a deeply segregated culture, were less vocal against injustice and more ambivalent about the movement than their northern counterparts.

We were there in the past in a way that ought to make us proud, said Cheryl Greenberg, a history professor at Trinity College and author of Troubling the Waters, a look at Black-Jewish relations in the 20th century, but also in ways that were less forthright that we might now think of.

A demonstrator speaks about his encounter with attackers who were shooting at five protesters near the Minneapolis Police 4th Precinct earlier in the night, on Tuesday, Nov. 24, 2015. AP

And while many look back at the black and Jewish communities as natural allies based on shared experiences of oppression, some historians say thats not necessarily the case.

To see this as a major partnership is not what happened, said Jack Salzman, an adjunct history professor at New York University and the editor of Bridges and Boundaries (1992) and Struggles in the Promised Land (1997), which analyze the collaboration and subsequent distancing of the black and Jewish communities.

There was a lot of tension, a lot of private antagonism, he said, noting differences among Jewish and black leaders in terms of tactics and timing.

In understanding how some in the African-American community thought about its relationship with Jews during this time, consider the scalding 1967 essay by the celebrated black writer James Baldwin called Negroes are Anti-Semitic because theyre Anti-White, (despite its harsh title, it is as much an indictment of Christians as of Jews.) It is a sobering reassessment of the narrative that the Jewish community still holds dear.

But instead of seeing challenges to the narrative as problematic or offensive, scholars and activists see them as important tools to understand the Jewish role from the outside, and an invitation for self-examination. For Pesner the complicated reality is a source of motivation rather than disappointment. The fact that it wasnt so perfect back then only gives us strength now, he said. When some Jewish people dont get on board, we can say well, thats not new.

Black Lives Matter protesters shout during Black Friday in Seattle, Washington November 27, 2015. Reuters

Once again, the issue of Israel

Last year, many Jews were surprised and vexed when Heschel wasnt portrayed in the Academy Award-winning film Selma about the pivotal civil rights march. It felt like an erasure of the Jewish contribution. Greenberg thinks that the outcry missed the whole point of the film but that it also reflected a communal solipsism as well as a shift in worldview. Over the years, she said, the Jewish community became more inward looking.

This is a good read Jacque. OriZ what do you think?

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Here were trump's comments I mentioned earlier. I assume he has stopped with the swearing in now. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-comparison-response/

[Jacque67 7,328]

Here were trump's comments I mentioned earlier. I assume he has stopped with the swearing in now. http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/08/politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-comparison-response/

Have to wait and see. He must drive the people working around him nuts. Hopefully his son in law can give him some advice.

[OriZ 3,157]

So tell me, what hardships do you face in VT? I mean clearly you must feel the racism that you claim happens to everyone.

Hey, what about here? Post some anti-Jewish threads that populate this forum. You know, since you have it so bad that you posting about a person getting stabbed in Uruguay which translate to what exactly I have no idea...

You must be kidding right? Please tell me you're kidding. LOL we've been through this before too.

Here you go:

http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/united-states/

http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/international/

http://www.adl.org/anti-semitism/muslim-arab-world/

The point is that racism against jews exists in the US, as well as around the world. Yes, I've encountered it personally in VT as well as Boston, as well as several European countries(Poland, Italy and England to name but a few).

But a while back you were very concerned about what was happening in Israel/Palenstine, and posting long texts to raise people's awareness . Why didn't you create a thread about the stabbing of the Jewish person in Uruguay? You are aware of it. Have you just given up ?

I could still say alot about Israel and the Palestinians, but there doesn't seem to be much demand for that or much interest in that area of the world in this forum these days, so again it goes back to not shoving things down people's throats.

But since you brought it up and being I believe it actually has alot to do with both topics I'll leave you with this:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/12160167/Oxford-Universitys-Labour-club-embroiled-in-anti-Semitism-row.html

Oxford University's student Labour club, that was previously a platform for Ed Miliband and Michael Foot, has become embroiled in an anti-Semitism row.

The club's chairman Alex Chalmers has resigned in protest after claiming that its members have "some kind of problem with Jews" and sympathise with terrorist groups like Hamas.

Oxford University Labour Club (OULC), where dozens of former Labour leaders, Cabinet Members and MPs have cut their political teeth, is one of the largest student Labour clubs in the UK.

Mr Chalmers, an undergraduate at Oriel College, said on Monday night that despite the Labour club's "commitment to liberation", it had a "poisonous" attitude toward certain groups.

In a resignation statement publicly posted on Facebook, Mr Chalmers explained that members of the OULC Executive had been "throwing around the term 'Zio' (a term for Jews usually confined to websites run by the Ku Klux Klan) with casual abandon".

Senior members of the club had been "expressing their 'solidarity' with Hamas and explicitly defending their tactics of indiscriminately murdering civilians", he added.

Chalmers said that ever since Labour's defeat at the general election, he had become "increasingly worried about the state of OULC".

He concluded that "a large proportion of both OULC and the student Left in Oxford more generally have some kind of problem with Jews".

Chalmers cited OULC’s decision on Monday to endorse Israel Apartheid Week as a reason for his resignation, a movement which he said had "a history of targetting and harassing Jewish students and inviting antisemitic speakers to campuses".

Labour Students, a national student organisation which is affiliated to the Labour Party, said they were "deeply troubled" to hear reports of anti-semitism at "one of our most prominent Labour Clubs".

The organisation said in a statement: "We unequivocally condemn any form of anti-Semitism" adding that it takes the allegations "very seriously."

"We will do whatever is necessary o ensure every Labour Club is a safe space for Jewish Students," a spokesman said.

"We are proud of the long history we have of working with the Union of Jewish Students and the National Union of Students to protect Jewish students on campus and this will always be a top priority for Labour Students."

It comes as the Government revealed proposals to ban local government, public bodies and student unions from boycotting Israel.

Matt Hancock, the Cabinet Office Minister, who will formally announce the change during a visit to Israel this week, has said council bans were "undermining our national security".

Last month, police were called after King's College London's student Israel society was attacked by demonstrators.

Witnesses described a mob throwing chairs and smashing windows, while pictures show officers standing guard outside the building.

Peaceful folks. All they want is peace and justice. The true face exposed and not for the first time. It is easy and convenient for some to believe that it all has to do with Israeli occupation but in fact, it's been proven time and time again there's LOTS of anti semitism involved. Even the recent stabbings and shootings of the last few months in Israel which have killed close to 40 people now(including an American tourist who was stabbed to death in Jaffa just the other day) do not mostly stem from occupation. Examining their life as well as the letters they left shows two things: some of them are extremely religious, do it because they want to kill Jews and go to heaven, and are inspired by Isis. On the other hand some of them are actually middle class and above, had a good life, but again do it because they want to kill Jews.

One more thing,

Quick question: how many black African MPs sat in the South African parliament during the apartheid era?

OK, that one was too easy, I accept. So here’s another, and this one only demands a simple Yes/No answer: were all South African citizens, irrespective of colour, guaranteed the right to vote under apartheid? Honestly, these are not trick questions.

Throughout the country, and particularly on our university campuses, it is being suggested that, in moral terms, nothing separates the appalling white supremacist apartheid regime of South Africa with the Israeli state. It was reported yesterday that the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, had ordered his officials to complain that posters comparing the two regimes had been illegally placed in the London Underground.

It’s an old trick frequently used by the hard of thinking: think of a country or person you don’t like; think of another, entirely separate, country or person that everyone dislikes, then say that country or person A is the same as country or person B.

Perhaps the protesters and poster-putters-up are too young to remember when apartheid was actually a thing – a bit like those youngsters who celebrated the death of Baroness Thatcher, even though they were babes in arms when she was forced out of Downing Street. But being young is no excuse for ignorance of the facts, which are that Israel isn’t just a democracy – it’s a social democracy, where women enjoy equal rights, where there exists a flourishing LGBT community, where trade unions are well organised and strong and where the press is unfettered and critical of the government.

But there’s no need to take my word for it – why don’t you ask Arab citizens of Israel which Middle Eastern country they would rather live in? The answer given by 77 per cent in one recent survey was (drum roll, please) Israel.

My, those comparisons with apartheid South Africa just keep on coming, don’t they?

But while such lazy analysis can be easily dismissed as evidence that universities really aren’t giving their students enough coursework to keep them busy, the onslaught against Israel from the broader Left of British politics is real, aggressive and worrying.

Michael Dugher, the former Shadow Culture Secretary who was recently sacked by Jeremy Corbyn, made a speech to a Labour Friends of Israel meeting last year in which he declared: “I am proud to call myself a friend of Israel. I am proud to call myself a Zionist.”

Even I, a long-term member of Labour Friends of Israel, did a double-take when I read that last line; not because I felt Michael shouldn’t have said what he said, but because it was an act of political courage rarely seen on the national stage in this modern era of safety-first soundbite politics. A Zionist, you say? Well, I mean, I support Israel and everything, but isn’t that going just a bit too far…?

No, it’s not.

The Left (and some on the Right, but mostly the Left) have succeeded in persuading us that the term refers to West Bank settlers, Israeli imperialists and Palestinian-haters. If you’re a Zionist you’re a hair’s breadth away from a National Front thug, the far Left would have us believe. And here, as in so many areas of life, they are entirely wrong.

Zionism is no more than the movement to re-establish and then protect the state of Israel. A Zionist is someone who defends Israel’s right to exist. The Labour Party has a long and proud tradition of supporting Zionism, through luminaries such as Richard Crossman and Ian Mikardo up to the present generation. But attempts to redefine Zionism and corrupt its true meaning were always dangerous and threatening to the progressive cause, simply because – inevitably – such moves would be exploited by genuine anti-Semites.

Yet that hasn’t stopped many in the leadership of both the Labour Party and its student movement from associating with such individuals.

When Alex Chalmers, former co-chairman of Oxford university Labour Club,resigned his post, he said: “A large proportion of both OULC and the student left in Oxford more generally have some kind of problem with Jews.” This includes, he alleged, members of the club’s executive using the word “Zio” to describe Jewish members of the student faculty. We may assume that the term is used in its new, distorted, derogatory meaning, rather than its true one.

Are we really that surprised? Isn’t such behaviour already being passively approved by the national leadership of the Labour Party? Not only do we have a leader who can’t even bring himself to utter the word “Israel” when he’s attending a reception organised by Labour Friends of You Know Where. But we also have a leader who calls the terrorist, anti-semitic fanatics of Hamas his “friends”.

And just last week, on 17 February, Ken Livingstone declared on LBC Radio that in his decades in the Labour Party, he had never come across any anti-Jewish sentiment on the Left. It was radio so we don’t know if he was wearing a straight face. This is a man who, as Mayor of London, literally embraced Yusuf al-Qaradawi, a scholar who believes that “every Jew in the world is the enemy” and that Muslims should not be friends with Jews in general, and Israelis in particular, lest such relationships diminish their appetite for fighting.

So is it really that surprising that in the days following the revelation of obscene bigotry and what appears to be anti-semitism among Labour members at Oxford, not a single Labour front bencher uttered a word about it?

I hope the term “Zionist” can be retrieved from the lexicon of the hate-spreaders, the ignorant and the anti-semitic.

And I hope, one day, someone unashamed to describe themselves as such will take his or her place at the head of my party.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/12171820/Theres-no-shame-in-Zionism-we-must-reclaim-the-word-from-anti-Semites.html

On the invitation of Dr. Martin Luther King in 1964, a group of 17 rabbis traveled to Florida to protest segregation, where they were arrested. From their jail cell the rabbis wrote about their decision to speak out for racial justice: “If we are a chosen people, let this be what we have been chosen for. We speak because we cannot not speak.”

Recent events show that injustice persists in communities across America in myriad ways. Stirred to action, a new generation of activists are catalyzing a national conversation about systemic racism under the powerful banner that #BlackLivesMatter. Join us for an important conversation about the ways in which this movement to end anti-Black racism is inescapably a Jewish issue.

Good read Jacques. Oriz, do you stand with this?

No. BLM is a group of thugs, the new Black Panthers.

Thing is, I think outside of a major metropolitan area, most Christian folks aren't going to come into contact with a Jewish person. That is why there aren't many, if any, anti-Jewish threads on VJ. The racists here are more likely to have daily contact with a black person.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/features/.premium-1.693430

Another good read.

No, there aren't many because we don't sit and whine all day. Some people wanna kidnap the racism *drinks* issue and pretend it only pertains to them. To that I say - cry me a river, there's plenty of ice here that still needs to melt.