Opinion: Anti-Muslim rhetoric isn’t brave

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Killing for your cause = Extremist. Not that hard really.

By the same token I bet if I polled only Muslim extremist, the killing for your cause would hit near 100%

[smilesammich 10,727]

By the same token I bet if I polled only Muslim extremist, the killing for your cause would hit near 100%

are you trying to make the argument that religious extremists have more in common than they have differences?

[Teddy B 17,252]

By the same token I bet if I polled only Muslim extremist, the killing for your cause would hit near 100%

7% was the number posted earlier of Muslim extremists willing to kill for their cause. I'm saying that I bet the percentage of homegrown extremists willing to kill for their cause would be higher. Not all muslim extremists kill and not all homegrown extremist do either.

Edited February 9, 2016 by Teddy B

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Not from my side. You're the one with a conundrum since under Islamic law, you're only half a witness. Your posts don't count

At least slaves were counted as 3/5. You're less than that. Under Islamic law. Worshipping and sacrificing virgins to the sun is also incompatible with the constitution, but that is also a religion.

Would you like some more examples of why Islam is not compatible with the constitution? Unless like your auspiciously absent buddy you can somehow build an imaginary wall to separate Islam from what Islam teaches.

You think I've lived in Saudi since 2009 and don't know what the law is here (and where it came from?)

How would anyone know you are referencing Saudi law and Islam as it is practiced there? I'm sure you realize that you are posting on a website catering to assisting those who are seeking to immigrate to the US and US citizens seeking to get their loved ones here?

Regardless Saudis are not the only practitioners of Islam and your experiences living there are hardly grounds for you to claim a complete understanding of how others believe and practice Islam.

In the US freedom of religion is the Constitutional law of the land, and while that does not mean freedom to engage in virgin sacrifice, honor killings, genital mutilation or many other such actions done around the world by various religious groups, the right to practice Islam is very much covered by the Constitution.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

7% was the number posted earlier of Muslim extremists willing to kill for their cause. I'm saying that I bet the percentage of homegrown extremists willing to kill for their cause would be higher. Not all muslim extremists kill and not all homegrown extremist do either.

No it wasn't

Go back and read

[Rob L 3,811]

Are we really debating which brand of extremists are worse or better or more willing to kill?

And where can you find a extremist willing to be polled anyways. If the number of extremists willing to die for their cause is greater than the +/- error on your poll..you are already in trouble.

By the same token I bet if I polled only Muslim extremist, the killing for your cause would hit near 100%

7% was the number posted earlier of Muslim extremists willing to kill for their cause. I'm saying that I bet the percentage of homegrown extremists willing to kill for their cause would be higher. Not all muslim extremists kill and not all homegrown extremist do either.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Are we really debating which brand of extremists are worse or better or more willing to kill?

And where can you find a extremist willing to be polled anyways. If the number of extremists willing to die for their cause is greater than the +/- error on your poll..you are already in trouble.

No we are not debating extremist and no one claimed to poll extremist

A poster said 7% of American Muslims favor killing as an end to a means

They did not say 7% of extremist

That followed with, well I bet if you poll the American extremist you will get 7%. Well Duh if you only poll extremist.

People here read what they want to read

[Expat1 971]

How would anyone know you are referencing Saudi law and Islam as it is practiced there? I'm sure you realize that you are posting on a website catering to assisting those who are seeking to immigrate to the US and US citizens seeking to get their loved ones here?

Regardless Saudis are not the only practitioners of Islam and your experiences living there are hardly grounds for you to claim a complete understanding of how others believe and practice Islam.

In the US freedom of religion is the Constitutional law of the land, and while that does not mean freedom to engage in virgin sacrifice, honor killings, genital mutilation or many other such actions done around the world by various religious groups, the right to practice Islam is very much covered by the Constitution.

I am referencing what Islamic books say Muslims are supposed to do and believe. What Muslims are supposed to do and believe is incompatible with the constitution.

You can sugar coat it all you want to but the issue with violence is because in order to REALLY practice Islam in the West (or anywhere else) there can be no constitution that declares Muslims equal to non-Muslims or provides equal rights for women and men.

The two sets of principles are fundamentally, at the most base level, incompatible. In so more ways than the above that the list is endless.

[Expat1 971]

oh but not here, cehst is where yall let loose. it's no wonder marvin and janelle left, considering what they had to put up with here, just in voicing their opinions.

that's the beauty of living in america. i'm not subject to the laws written in any religious book.

please don't downplay the rampant misogyny throughout the bible mmk, it just makes it seem like you're playing favorites with tall tales.

Bible's got two sides. First side looks a lot like the Quran and hasn't (ever never) worked out for the folks who practiced it. Also incompatible with the constitution.

Want to be compatible with the constitution gotta practice your religion personally and can't impose it on other people, even the people in your own house.

That means, in the case of Islam, you have to leave most of it at the border. Just the way it is.

[Expat1 971]

Are we really debating which brand of extremists are worse or better or more willing to kill?

Are you seriously implying that there is any room for debate?

Teen on suicide bombing waiting list

http://www.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/teen-on-suicide-bombing-waiting-list-20150312-3ry4a.html

Daghestani Militant Blows Up Over IS Suicide-Bomber Nepotism

http://www.rferl.org/content/islamic-state-suicide-bombers-waiting-lists/27028459.html

Isis fighters complaining of 'Saudi nepotism' on group's waiting list for suicide bombers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-fighters-complaining-of-saudi-nepotism-on-groups-waiting-list-for-suicide-bombers-10275690.html

You need some more references? That took 30 seconds. Do you have something close (even on the distant long range radar) to a similar example? These winners have hit two mosques HERE over this last year less than 20 miles away. They WANT to die and take as many people with them as possible.

Edited February 10, 2016 by Expat1

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

oh but not here, cehst is where yall let loose. it's no wonder marvin and janelle left, considering what they had to put up with here, just in voicing their opinions.

that's the beauty of living in america. i'm not subject to the laws written in any religious book.

please don't downplay the rampant misogyny throughout the bible mmk, it just makes it seem like you're playing favorites with tall tales.

What did they have to put up with, You mean the same exact treatment as others, or perhaps you think we should have treated them different because they are black?

They both saw race in everything and interjected race into everything and then complained becuse we talked about race.

Have you noticed how few racial discussions we have had recently.

However I got along well with both, and was never disrespectful and vice versa. However I am not going to agree with absurd statements just because of someone's skin color. That is the politics of appeasement.

And PS I promise they are lurking.

[Teddy B 17,252]

No we are not debating extremist and no one claimed to poll extremist

A poster said 7% of American Muslims favor killing as an end to a means

They did not say 7% of extremist

That followed with, well I bet if you poll the American extremist you will get 7%. Well Duh if you only poll extremist.

People here read what they want to read

Not all American Muslims have a cause or are on a religious crusade. In fact the ones that do are in the minority. To say that 7% of American Muslims favor killing is a falsehood from the start because most American Muslims do not have a cause to kill for. That poll is full of hooey from the start. The only Muslims who are fighting to defeat other religious factions are the extremists. The only factual deduction that can be made from the poll is that 7% of extremists Muslims are in favor of killing for their cause. If you are a Muslim and do not have a cause, you cannot be included in the poll results based on the poll question asked.

I still say that there are an equal or greater amount of homegrown yahoo extremists who are willing to kill for their anti gov't crusades then there are American Muslims extremists who are willing to kill for theirs.

[Boiler 45,516]

God is Great Death to the Infidels

What more do you need to know?

[Teddy B 17,252]

God is Great Death to the Infidels

What more do you need to know?

Not much.

[Boiler 45,516]

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Boys will be boys

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