U.S. Shootings Since 1963 Have Killed More Americans Than All Wars Ever

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Of course it has been shown here many times that if you took out the gun violence from 3 or 4 inner cities with strict gun laws our numbers would fall in line or lower than most European countries.

But that truth is racist

Isn't the inner city people Americans just like you? Why do you want to exclude them from the numbers?

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Sorry, I meant most non-suicides are by gang bangers. I live in the suburbs and am surrounded by people who own guns. The odds of me ever being killed by one are exceedingly tiny.

Not sure what "you people" means.

Here is what you said.

"ExPatty, on 29 Jan 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

Yeah but really "people" don't care about those, since a large number (not all) of those suicides would happen irrespective of guns.

I said of course you people. And I asked are you part of the people who don't care? I could have done without the "you" but you get the message. Are you part of the people who don't care about the suicide rate?

Also, why is it that gun laws are the strictest in cities that need citizens to be able to protect themselves the most? Law abiding citizens, some of who have served in the military, can't get cc permits?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Isn't the inner city people Americans just like you? Why do you want to exclude them from the numbers?

No actually they are nothing like me

[lostinblue 1,989]

Here is what you said.

"ExPatty, on 29 Jan 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

I said of course you people. And I asked are you part of the people who don't care? I could have done without the "you" but you get the message. Are you part of the people who don't care about the suicide rate?

Also, why is it that gun laws are the strictest in cities that need citizens to be able to protect themselves the most? Law abiding citizens, some of who have served in the military, can't get cc permits?

Liberals keep voting anti gun liberals. Here is one for you ...

Critics blast Massachusetts city's new 'essay' rule for gun-carry applicants

Critics are blasting a Massachusetts city’s new law that they claim requires residents applying for a license to carry handguns to write “an essay” and pay upwards of $1,100 for training.

The new laws take effect this week in Lowell, a city of 110,000 that lies 35 miles north of Boston. Pushed by Police Superintendent William Taylor and passed by the City Council, they require applicants for unrestricted handgun licenses to state in writing why they should receive such a license. Taylor, who was unavailable for comment on Monday, has sole discretion for approving or denying the applications.

“It is absurd that people should have to write an essay to the town to explain why they should be able to exercise their constitutional rights,” said Jim Wallace, executive director of Gun Owners Action League of Massachusetts. “We already have a very strict set of gun laws in the state, but this is way over the top.”

State law sets guidelines and requirements, but gives local chiefs of police broad discretion in implementation. While other cities and towns in Massachusetts have tough licensing regulations, Lowell’s new requirements, which also include taking a gun safety course over and above one already required by the state, prompted complaints at a public hearing last week.

"I will never write an essay to get my rights as an American citizen," resident Dan Gannon told the City Council.

The new policy was prompted in part by a year-old federal lawsuit brought by Commonwealth Second Amendment, a Bay State gun-rights group. Attorney David Jensen said the suit stems from Lowell’s history of denying qualified applicants permits to carry handguns without what the plaintiffs consider a legitimate rationale.

Lowell Police Superintendent William Taylor will review the written applications and determine who gets a license and who does not. (City of Lowell)

Jensen said the jury is still out on whether the new policy will prove a remedy or just a more formal system for rejecting applications.

“The question right now is what they actually do,” Jensen said. “Our initial response to that would be that the Second Amendment secures the right to keep and bear arms. You really shouldn’t be required to write an essay explaining why you would like to exercise this fundamental right.”

Lowell Police spokesman Capt. Timothy Crowley said characterizing the written requirement as an “essay” is not accurate.

“If you want a license to carry a firearm unrestricted wherever you want and whenever you want, the superintendent is just looking for some documentation as to why,” Crowley said. “That is not unreasonable to most people.”

Local attorney Richard Chambers, who often represents applicants who have been turned down, said calling the new requirement an "essay" is right on target.

"An essay when you're in school is when you write something, you turn it in and they grade it," Chambers said. "This is an essay. And it's also just another layer of bureaucracy they've tacked on to block people from exercising their rights."

Despite the criticism, the new rules were adopted unanimously and are set to take effect this week.

"We're no longer taking a cookie-cutter approach to issuing firearms licenses," City Manager Kevin Murphy told the Lowell Sun, noting that the new policy will allow Taylor to look more closely at each applicant.

That’s exactly what concerns Wallace, who urged Lowell residents not to adhere to the new rules and to simply turn to the courts if and when their applications are denied.

“It’s like having a college professor say, ‘I’m going to read your essay and if I don’t like it, I’m going to give it back to you,’” Wallace said.

A 1998 state law known as the Gun Control Act included a raft of new regulations, fees and requirements that contributed to an 80 percent reduction in gun licenses over time, according to Wallace. The new law in Lowell, which Taylor said has about 6,000 gun owners with licenses to carry, will require a specialized training course.

A local firearms-safety instructor, Randy Breton, told the Sun the training requirement appeared designed to purposely make it cost-prohibitive to apply for a gun permit. He said one five-day course approved by the city costs $1,100.

"It's beyond ridiculous," Breton told the newspaper.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/25/critics-blast-massachusetts-citys-new-essay-rule-for-gun-carry-applicants.html

From the comments section

Westchester County in New York is the only county that has 4 different types of gun permits. Utterly ridiculous. One for target, one for sportsman, one for business owners which the county judges will only approve if you can show bank statements that you make big amounts of cash deposits per day, and of course a full carry which you must file a ammendent if your already have been approved for any of the 3 other license types. If you want to upgrade your license to full carry you also need to pay $5.00, write a essay to get full carry, and most of the time it takes up to 4 months for a answer and most of the time gets denied. Also for any gun permit license the initial wait time is up to 6-8 months to hand in paperwork and then another 6-8 months for it to get processed. Westchester county really needs to get its act together

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

No actually they are nothing like me

So, do you classify yourself as an extraterrestrial? Or not an American citizen? I'm confused.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

So, do you classify yourself as an extraterrestrial? Or not an American citizen? I'm confused.

Your not confused you are in denial. There is a difference

[Darnell 8,479]

Double Points for Denial in Hawaii, also !

If'n he was in Juneau, well, that's a negative score for HufflePuff, regardless of the season.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Your not confused you are in denial. There is a difference

Denial of what? The folks dying in those cities are flesh and blood human beings just like anyone else. I'm waiting to hear how you differ from them.

[ExPatty 502]

Here is what you said.

"ExPatty, on 29 Jan 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

I said of course you people. And I asked are you part of the people who don't care? I could have done without the "you" but you get the message. Are you part of the people who don't care about the suicide rate?

Also, why is it that gun laws are the strictest in cities that need citizens to be able to protect themselves the most? Law abiding citizens, some of who have served in the military, can't get cc permits?

I care but not terribly much because 10x more people in the us die from obesity than suicide, yet politicians rarely talk about our abominable health and how we willfully kill ourselves because it isn't a sexy issue like evil guns are. Also many of those suicides would happen regardless.

Gun control is strict in areas of high crime because of the belief that keeping guns from hooligans lowers crime rates. It does, but absent strict laws everywhere the hoodlums still get their hands on them.

[ExPatty 502]

Denial of what? The folks dying in those cities are flesh and blood human beings just like anyone else. I'm waiting to hear how you differ from them.

This is pretty disingenuous. In other threads where race is a factor many of us are reminded how we cannot appreciate how things are different because we are not black, and we don't have the same problems blacks do. Yet recognition of that fact in this thread is challenged, as if there is no difference.

As I mentioned I live in the suburbs and there is very close to no violent crime here at all despite high rates of legal gun ownership. Gun crime is simply not something I have to worry about. That is how I differ from people deep in the city who live on the streets that are mentioned on the news each night. I am more likely to die from suited by gun than being shot by somebody else, but that is hugely eclipsed by the risk of an obesity rated illness. Or cancer. Or even dying in a car crash.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I care but not terribly much because 10x more people in the us die from obesity than suicide, yet politicians rarely talk about our abominable health and how we willfully kill ourselves because it isn't a sexy issue like evil guns are. Also many of those suicides would happen regardless.

Gun control is strict in areas of high crime because of the belief that keeping guns from hooligans lowers crime rates. It does, but absent strict laws everywhere the hoodlums still get their hands on them.

Considering that 100's die every month and nothing has been done about it for decades, I'm thinking this is by design rather than by accident.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Denial of what? The folks dying in those cities are flesh and blood human beings just like anyone else. I'm waiting to hear how you differ from them.

and who is killing all these people in the inner cities

[Darnell 8,479]

I thought race WAS a factor in the Flint Michigan problem -

The Emergency Coordinator Fella there in Flint left that job to go stand tall in Detroit.

He's lied to the folksen in Flint plus the folksen in Detroit.

Who does that? Come on Marvin, it all goes around. To a Circle, at the same point.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This is pretty disingenuous. In other threads where race is a factor many of us are reminded how we cannot appreciate how things are different because we are not black, and we don't have the same problems blacks do. Yet recognition of that fact in this thread is challenged, as if there is no difference.

As I mentioned I live in the suburbs and there is very close to no violent crime here at all despite high rates of legal gun ownership. Gun crime is simply not something I have to worry about. That is how I differ from people deep in the city who live on the streets that are mentioned on the news each night. I am more likely to die from suited by gun than being shot by somebody else, but that is hugely eclipsed by the risk of an obesity rated illness. Or cancer. Or even dying in a car crash.

Not appreciate isn't the word we're using. The problem lies that white people(who do this) are always trying to tell black people what is or isn't racist. You don't get to define what's racist when you're not affected by it. That's like me telling a gay person who's being bashed it's not really gay bashing. Your opinion? No worries. But it's like myself and Janelle's experience as black people somehow weigh LESS than the white people here who aren't discriminated against. And white people DON'T have the same problems as black people do. That's a known fact.

For myself, it seems like the majority believes that unless the N-word is present or the KKK, then everything else is just unfortunate circumstances. Even though I can list several examples side by side and show what you're allowed to do and I can't even if we're doing the exact same thing.

1. We can't open carry like white people can. You think if we tried to question the cops we'd survive the encounter?

2. If a white person acts like this and gets away with it, how is it fair a black person can't do it?

The list goes on and on. If you want more, let me know.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Not appreciate isn't the word we're using. The problem lies that white people(who do this) are always trying to tell black people what is or isn't racist. You don't get to define what's racist when you're not affected by it. That's like me telling a gay person who's being bashed it's not really gay bashing. Your opinion? No worries. But it's like myself and Janelle's experience as black people somehow weigh LESS than the white people here who aren't discriminated against. And white people DON'T have the same problems as black people do. That's a known fact.

For myself, it seems like the majority believes that unless the N-word is present or the KKK, then everything else is just unfortunate circumstances. Even though I can list several examples side by side and show what you're allowed to do and I can't even if we're doing the exact same thing.

1. We can't open carry like white people can. You think if we tried to question the cops we'd survive the encounter?

2. If a white person acts like this and gets away with it, how is it fair a black person can't do it?

The list goes on and on. If you want more, let me know.

If the N word mean racism is present then there is a whole lotta racist black people

I told some black guys at work the other day. Please quit saying #######, cause you all sue it so much I am going to pick it up a slang and slip it one day, the all of you are going to lose your minds