I wonder if getting visa for Greece will help my Nepali Fiance..

[Boiler 45,516]

With all those ties how does a K1 come into the picture?

[aaron2020 11,651]

Very condescending I think..

If you admit to being a CO or a "self appointed expert" yourself and then you can enlighten the rest of us? I only claimed to have an opinion... Yes, I translated for the consular office in Spain and Germany, have lived with friends at various embassies around the world and drawn a government check but have never been a CO.. They are not experts in immigration law..They have received some training (7 weeks covering a lot of information not just immigration) by the Foreign Service Institute.. About the same as realtors vs. attorneys.

You are making a lot of assumptions.. My own assumption is that the immigration process is if not broken then seriously flawed.. That is my personal opinion as to which I believe I am entitled and more so as a US citizen, having served my country as a soldier, actually worked for her government and lived under numerous regimes.. I have stated my reasons why clearly and concisely with as much information as I thought relevant.

Those two students mentioned previously are members of my church, our close friends, have attended for years and are working with a charity who's founders I am connected with through friendship and association at church as well that helps them go to school in the US.. I think that I/we have a really good idea of what was said( actually a play by play), the background of the individuals, what was filed etc,. They have "both" been students in Nepal for several years at the university and unsurprisingly the shorter heavier, less attractive one (arguably) with glasses was admitted.

You are right I wasn't there, I could have missed something.. but as I have had this experience with other employees and friends from Spain, India, Venezuela over the last ten years or more and the only ones that get in easily are seemingly those who bought a visa with the investor visa program or as refugees... This is of course all based on my personal experience too..

I don't feel entitled, not that arrogant either, other than I confess a lack of patience for systems I don't understand that lack transparency and arbitrary decisions. Yes as an American myself I expect certain things from "my" government..

As for my fiance She is much more humble than I am and only wants to come to the US to be with me having no desire whatsoever to be a US citizen....ever! She has this year 2015 "after" the last visa attempt in 2014 chosen to give up her property and inheritance to a charity, scorned a diamond ring for a simple and cheap band and any other accouterments of wealth that I could have offered her while she works with slum children to feed & educate them and help women in Nepal. Call me arrogant and I will accept it but not her.. she is not on this forum and not even aware of my postings or as you say ranting.

This is admittedly a lot of "feeling" I feel for those who have been denied that really just want to visit and then return..Disney land is great! Everyone should experience the world! I love travel and go as often as I can but have only been to about 60 countries and hope to do 60 more.

I do feel is that if she (or anyone like her like my employee in India), a successful, educated person of means, cannot get a visitor's visa then what hope does anyone else have? Why is the playing field not fairly marked? I guess I don't accept an arbitrary decision based on nebulous criteria.. If the file had been opened or reviewed even cursorily in any of the 5 cases (3 for her and 2 for my employee over 10 years) I would not have commented.. If the CO had "not" said "you are too pretty, too young, you will get married and never come back" or asked my employee "his name only" before denying him..(also never looking at the invitation letter or bank statements or other ties to his homeland such as his five kids, wife, house, job, etc.) then I would have placed greater credence in the fairness of the "process" and made no comment.

While I think that wealthy people are less likely to end up on welfare I don't believe that is the criteria that should be employed ( I think true wealth is a happy family and helping others).. In fact I rebel against it as unfair and not humane in nature. As an American I expect fairness and humanity.. I look at fairness, morality, and what is "just" above all else..I confess to being a bit of a crusader for the under dog.

Strong ties I can understand.. But that is quantifiable.. Home, family, job, assets, education, involvement in community and charities.. little league coach for example over 3 or more years would seem to be having ties to a community as well. A checklist would do nicely..

A monetary Bond.. That too seems feasible.

But tell me that one person gets to make that decision arbitrarily and I get upset...

Comments like the one quoted above tell me that you either 1- Love the system and think it is perfect.. 2- Work for the government and are trying to justify your own job somehow or 3- Like to make unkind comments to someone that has not attacked you previously to make yourself seem like the informed and intelligent one.

At the end of the day if you are on this forum because you or someone you love is seeking a visa then you and I have that in common and I wish you well...

Dude, you are making yourself less sympathetic with every additional post where you come off as an entitled little b.....

Get over yourself. You are no different from the rest of us. There are hoops that we have to jump through. All of us. You insisting that you are right and entitled to a visitor visa for your girl or special consideration because you are wealthy and less likely to end up on welfare is pure BS. You ain't Kanye West, and she ain't Kim Kardashian.

Here choice 4. What the rest of us are telling you. 4) The system sucks. You don't have to like it, but you have to abide by it. You shut up and jump through the hoops like everyone else because you aren't special and entitled to anything special. You get treated like the rest of us. You are asking for a privilege. You are not entitled to anything. Like the rest of us.

HFM may be condescending, but he ain't wrong.

Edited January 11, 2016 by aaron2020

[walran 24]

Maybe you just need to be a little more humble. Both of you. You almost sound as if you believe your girlfriend has a right to a visa, purely because she is rich and educated. With an attitude like that, you will be disappointed at some point in your life. Maybe this is it. I don't think the COs are looking at wealth or qualifications. Or looks, despite your claims of her being a beauty queen. If she even had half the sense of entitlement and was half as pompous as you at her interview, that could be your answer. You are asking for permission for her to be allowed into a country that is not her own and where she (currently) has no right of entry. Just as I do each time I arrive at the border. I, however, realise what a privilege it is to be admitted into the country (even for a brief visit and despite being married to one of its citizens) and approach the situation in that way. Your girlfriend is not doing them a favour, they owe her nothing. She is asking for a privilege. You'd both do well to remember that.

Not sure where you decided that rich and educated were part of my justification..? Or hers? You are from England, can come and go as you please with a tourist visa.. Your country was easy for her to get a visa to enter. I don't need one either. What does give someone the right to a visa or as you put it privilege?

You the right by birth or citizenship (usually because you were lucky in the birth lottery) can enter at will..

How do you judge whether she or I were arrogant at any time vs. disappointed, sad, or just angry with the system?

Most Americans don't like being stepped on..we take what others call privileges and see them as rights in our country..Thinks like equality under the law and taxation. We didn't like the "privileges" the English wanted to give us ( love you now) and tossed them out handily and bridle against anything that smacks of unfairness going on a few hundred years now.

Maybe reading all of my posts would give a better view or maybe I need to be a better writer?

Edited January 11, 2016 by walran

[DJ6372 111]

I have re and re-read your posts and I get more and more confused each time

You proudly present yourself as an American yet you do nothing to defend your country, you critisise the 'broken' system and declare you can't wait to leave, so far so good

Yet you try and try again to bring your wife to be to this broken country, even saying bizarre things like going to Greece...............??

This reeks of one thing and one thing alone, you want a GC for your young and overly beautiful fiancée

The USCIS obviously think the same

How about you carry out your 5 year plan now, and run off to whichever country you think is better, you seem to be an expert on pretty much everything else

If I'm wrong I apologize

[walran 24]

Dude, you are making yourself less sympathetic with every additional post where you come off as an entitled little b.....

Get over yourself. You are no different from the rest of us. There are hoops that we have to jump through. All of us. You insisting that you are right and entitled to a visitor visa for your girl or special consideration because you are wealthy and less likely to end up on welfare is pure BS. You ain't Kanye West, and she ain't Kim Kardashian.

Here choice 4. What the rest of us are telling you. 4) The system sucks. You don't have to like it, but you have to abide by it. You shut up and jump through the hoops like everyone else because you aren't special and entitled to anything special. You get treated like the rest of us. You are asking for a privilege. You are not entitled to anything. Like the rest of us.

HFM may be condescending, but he ain't wrong.

I don't think I have ever made those aspersions or comments.. You are not a USC either.. You may be used to just "taking" it from your government?

I have said repeatedly that 1- the system is not fair or just 2- that arbitrary decisions are made 3- that everyone should be on an equal playing field.. I would think this would apply in your case possibly as well.

You have a family member in the US trying to bring another family member over.. I wish you well and hope that there are no arbitrary decisions made on your behalf.

By right of birth in the US I can go where I want at will and live with very few restrictions. Not because I deserve it but because my immigrant grandfather came to this country and I was born here and pay taxes here. There is nothing special about me in God's eyes that would lift me above anyone else.

I am learning patience, I have found something worth working to change and I do appreciate your interest but Kim Kardashian isn't at all attractive..! And she was my last wife!

[aaron2020 11,651]

Not sure where you decided that rich and educated were part of my justification..? Or hers? You are from England, can come and go as you please with a tourist visa.. Your country was easy for her to get a visa to enter. I don't need one either. What does give someone the right to a visa or as you put it privilege? No one has a right to a visa. You don't seem to get that. You think erroneously that there is a right to a visa. That's why a visa is a privilege.

You the right by birth or citizenship (usually because you were lucky in the birth lottery) can enter at will.. Life is unfair. Boo hoo.

How do you judge whether she or I were arrogant at any time vs. disappointed, sad, or just angry with the system? By your own arrogant words. By what you think you and your girl are entitled to.

Most Americans don't like being stepped on..we take what others call privileges and see them as rights in our country..Thinks like equality under the law and taxation. We didn't like the "privileges" the English wanted to give us ( love you now) and tossed them out handily and bridle against anything that smacks of unfairness going on a few hundred years now. Welcome to the real world. The US government considers a visa a privilege and not a right. Foreign citizens don't have a right to a US visa. A US spouse (which you aren't) does not have a right to a visa for a foreign spouse (the US Supreme Court said so.).

Maybe reading all of my posts would give a better view or maybe I need to be a better writer?

[aaron2020 11,651]

I don't think I have ever made those aspersions or comments.. You are not a USC either.. You may be used to just "taking" it from your government? I am a US citizen. My government is the US government. You seems to make way too many incorrect assumptions. Fortunately, there is no "me" in assumption.

I have said repeatedly that 1- the system is not fair or just 2- that arbitrary decisions are made 3- that everyone should be on an equal playing field.. I would think this would apply in your case possibly as well. It's 3. You just think that you are special. You are getting treated like everyone else on an equal playing field. You just don't like it and think you are entitled to better. You are not the only to pursue a K-1 after a B-2 denial. Lots of people go after the K-1 after a B-2 denial. You are getting treated like everyone else similarly situated, but you think you or your girl had a "right" to a visitor visa.

You have a family member in the US trying to bring another family member over.. I wish you well and hope that there are no arbitrary decisions made on your behalf. Nothing arbitrary in 25 years of helping family members and friends immigrate and get visitor visas to the US. Just careful planning and understanding what can be done. Over 50 people and not a single case of arbitrary decisions.

By right of birth in the US I can go where I want at will and live with very few restrictions. Not because I deserve it but because my immigrant grandfather came to this country and I was born here and pay taxes here. There is nothing special about me in God's eyes that would lift me above anyone else. Yet you think you should be treated special because you keep insisting that your girlfriend was unfairly denied her or your "right" to a visa.

I am learning patience, I have found something worth working to change and I do appreciate your interest but Kim Kardashian isn't at all attractive..! And she was my last wife!

I'm out of here.

Good luck getting help. Your attitude is turning people off to helping you.

Edited January 12, 2016 by aaron2020

[walran 24]

With all those ties how does a K1 come into the picture?

The K1 is being sought to give her access to her husband to be.. me

Unfortunately and very sadly she is not from a country that has easy access to the US and from prior to our engagement she was unable to get a visa even for work with a partner hospital (Inter-mountain Health Care) based on what I and maybe only I assume to be arbitrary decisions as she doesn't complain about it to me.

So that means that I have to travel to see her each time or meet her in a third country if I want to see her prior to the visa being granted.

If it were denied and I can't see how that would be possible then I would move to Nepal or somewhere else to be together with her. I plan on traveling a lot to Nepal to work with several charities a lot in the future and to live there at a point in the future.

I wish you well on your journey!

[walran 24]

I'm out of here.

Good luck getting help. Your attitude is turning people off to helping you.

Not looking for help.. was originally looking for information as to whether travel to a Euro country would help. Then it grew into something else and my real feelings have came out. I know a score of people who have been denied who were honest and hard working and mostly not well off.. That makes me sad.

I don't agree with a lot of the posters and that is fine.. I do wish each and every one of them well

[Ryan H 3,812]

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Edited January 12, 2016 by Ryan H