Starvation in Madaya as U.S. Pols Look Away

[Boiler 46,253]

Sometimes guilt is a justifiable motivator to get things done.

Guilt?

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

This is new, the convoy and the starving folks have been pawns in a game, I am open to any ethical solution that ensures folks don't starve

If I were the father of a child who got to eat tonight, I would say everything.

Not new... Food outlays were 4+ Billion through this program last year, nearly five billion the year before that.. and as the article you posted stated: a temporary solution is not a solution since Assad will return to his old ways as soon as the worlds attention moves on.. So again, what should *we* be doing? Should Assad be removed by any means possible? Yes? No? Was feeding the pro-Assad starving people on the other side the right thing to do? You are as bad as the author of this do nothing piece, complaining and yet afraid to suggest any course of action because it may not allow you to complain again in the future.

As for the happy father: we just fed the guy on the other side that's looking at his son through a long range sniper rifle... The money for this food came out of a budget used to feed other malnourished people.. So we paid to feed people who are trying (and succeeding) at killing each other while people just trying to survive elsewhere will not get that food.

We do get to feel better about ourselves for a few days though.

[Rob L 3,811]

Not new... Food outlays were 4+ Billion through this program last year, nearly five billion the year before that.. and as the article you posted stated: a temporary solution is not a solution since Assad will return to his old ways as soon as the worlds attention moves on.. So again, what should *we* be doing? Should Assad be removed by any means possible? Yes? No? Was feeding the pro-Assad starving people on the other side the right thing to do? You are as bad as the author of this do nothing piece, complaining and yet afraid to suggest any course of action because it may not allow you to complain again in the future.

As for the happy father: we just fed the guy on the other side that's looking at his son through a long range sniper rifle... The money for this food came out of a budget used to feed other malnourished people.. So we paid to feed people who are trying (and succeeding) at killing each other while people just trying to survive elsewhere will not get that food.

We do get to feel better about ourselves for a few days though

Let me play back what I think you are putting down ( I am sure you will correct what I have wrong)

1. This is not ( US, the West and the UN's fight) stay out of it
2. Picking sides will have the wrong results as a consequence, stay out of it
3. Spending money here will have a direct correlation on another person starving, and the budget is capped
4. I am an ineffective whiner for posting unheard viewpoints..noted.
5. Providing food is the equal to providing bullets

[Boiler 46,253]

Yes, well the UN can not fight.

Yes

Yes

No

Army marches on its stomach.

Edited January 12, 2016 by Boiler

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Let me play back what I think you are putting down ( I am sure you will correct what I have wrong)

1. This is not ( US, the West and the UN's fight) stay out of it
2. Picking sides will have the wrong results as a consequence, stay out of it
3. Spending money here will have a direct correlation on another person starving, and the budget is capped
4. I am an ineffective whiner for posting unheard viewpoints..noted.
5. Providing food is the equal to providing bullets

I was trying to get an answer out of you as to what you think should be done as the article you posted criticized both ends and left nowhere to go and as such was a nothing but a whine fest. Trying to force an answer should have brought you to that conclusion which apparently it has since you deflected in every single reply.

Maybe look for that the next time you are impressed enough with an article to post it (and scratch off that author since we know he has nothing to contribute)

[Janelle2002 3,865]

I was trying to get an answer out of you as to what you think should be done as the article you posted criticized both ends and left nowhere to go and as such was a nothing but a whine fest. Trying to force an answer should have brought you to that conclusion which apparently it has since you deflected in every single reply.

Maybe look for that the next time you are impressed enough with an article to post it (and scratch off that author since we know he has nothing to contribute)

Good points, but for the record, I'm not biased at posting. I'll post an article I don't fully agree with. It's for conversation. The article hit some good points, but there is no resolution to the problem. This I agree with you on. However, understanding consequences of one's actions are necessary first, before a plan can be implemented. But I think the conclusion here is, our government isn't going to act. Obama dammed if he do, dammed if he don't.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

Good points, but for the record, I'm not biased at posting. I'll post an article I don't fully agree with. It's for conversation. The article hit some good points, but there is no resolution to the problem. This I agree with you on. However, understanding consequences of one's actions are necessary first, before a plan can be implemented. But I think the conclusion here is, our government isn't going to act. Obama dammed if he do, dammed if he don't.

Agreed Obama is in a no win situation but then he is de-emphasizing the middle east and moving focus to Asia which I think is good. In this particular instance where a town is cut off from aid (the UN last delivered aid in October - I say UN, it was paid 50% US, 40% EU and Japan, and 10% other countries) the blame for cutting them off goes to two different groups: The Assad Regime in the front and Hezbollah from the rear (they would not let people in or out so it was a true siege).

[ExPatty 502]

I was trying to get an answer out of you as to what you think should be done as the article you posted criticized both ends and left nowhere to go and as such was a nothing but a whine fest.

He continues to not give so much as a hint about what should specifically be done to make syria a better situation.

[Rob L 3,811]

Yes, well the UN can not fight.

Yes

Yes

No

Army marches on its stomach.

I award you a neo-isolationist score of 93%

[Rob L 3,811]

I was trying to get an answer out of you as to what you think should be done as the article you posted criticized both ends and left nowhere to go and as such was a nothing but a whine fest. Trying to force an answer should have brought you to that conclusion which apparently it has since you deflected in every single reply.

Maybe look for that the next time you are impressed enough with an article to post it (and scratch off that author since we know he has nothing to contribute)

I am not sure why you insist on personally calling me out. I am not an idiot for posting an article that makes you feel personally uncomfortable because the solution is not something wrapped up in a bow. It appears the trucks are moving again, I don't think that is a bad thing. Rwanda, Bosnia, Europe's refugees before WWII all situations where we were slow to act because we did not think it was our business.

The solution from my standpoint is to continue to hold our leaders accountable to address potential genocide. There are a lot of tools in the toolbox, not everyone involves black and white thinking.

Quote from CNN today

"Aid agencies have tried to help, but only after a sustained social media campaign did the U.N. manage to broker an agreement with the Syrian government to access the city."

VJ Forums = Social media

Edited January 12, 2016 by Rob L

[ExPatty 502]

I am not sure why you insist on personally calling me out. I am not an idiot for posting an article that makes you feel personally uncomfortable because the solution is not something wrapped up in a bow. It appears the trucks are moving again, I don't think that is a bad thing. Rwanda, Bosnia, Europe's refugees before WWII all situations where we were slow to act because we did not think it was our business.

The solution from my standpoint is to continue to hold our leaders accountable to address potential genocide. There are a lot of tools in the toolbox, not everyone involves black and white thinking.

Quote from CNN today

"Aid agencies have tried to help, but only after a sustained social media campaign did the U.N. manage to broker an agreement with the Syrian government to access the city."

VJ Forums = Social media

What's the ratio of tweets to saved lives? what a joke

[Boiler 46,253]

What's the ratio of tweets to saved lives? what a joke

You keep in mind that my sharply-worded comments on yelp.com recently took down a muffin store

Sheldon

BBT

I award you a neo-isolationist realist score of 93%

Changed it for you.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

I am not sure why you insist on personally calling me out. I am not an idiot for posting an article that makes you feel personally uncomfortable because the solution is not something wrapped up in a bow. It appears the trucks are moving again, I don't think that is a bad thing. Rwanda, Bosnia, Europe's refugees before WWII all situations where we were slow to act because we did not think it was our business.

The solution from my standpoint is to continue to hold our leaders accountable to address potential genocide. There are a lot of tools in the toolbox, not everyone involves black and white thinking.

Quote from CNN today

"Aid agencies have tried to help, but only after a sustained social media campaign did the U.N. manage to broker an agreement with the Syrian government to access the city."

VJ Forums = Social media

I don't call out people, I call out stupid which this article is.

A solution comprising of "people should fix things" or you will whine again is not a solution, It is a total cop out - taking no stand and having no conviction. The article states *directly* a temporary solution that did not remove Assad from the equation was not a solution.

[ExPatty 502]

I don't call out people, I call out stupid which this article is.

A solution comprising of "people should fix things" or you will whine again is not a solution, It is a total cop out - taking no stand and having no conviction. The article states *directly* a temporary solution that did not remove Assad from the equation was not a solution.

I have yet to see a post by him containing any substance. He seems to subscribe to the illusion that intelligent people can be compelled by links and one-liners without any commentary from his end. Mother jones might give talking points but it doesn't teach critical thinking. Edited January 14, 2016 by ExPatty

[Ban Hammer 13,645]

looks like a good thread to play social justice warrior bingo in.....grab your cards

Edited January 14, 2016 by charles!