Evidence for ROC

[vkrishn 97]

Hi all,

I am starting to accumulate piles of paperwork for filing ROC in about 2 -3 weeks and have some questions.

Wife arrived U.S on April 2014 and have been trying to get docs from then on. So far i have the usual ones but did you all submit 2yrs worth of statements from your joint account and credit card? Thats a lot of documents and that itself looks like a huge pile. I have a letter from the Bank that states i added my wife to the account on so and so date. Will that and few statements suffice?

Do you think we need to print out so many statements ( 2 yrs worth) and submit it for ROC? Looking by the way things are going, my application might weigh 4-5 pounds.

Thanks,

Vijay

[vkrishn 97]

Thanks. While i understand the impact of weight, providing statements for 2 yrs from joint back account where each statement is 10 pages long looked too much. :-)

So far we have

1) Copy of Renter's Insurance for 2014, 2015, 2015 with both our names added with Address

2) Copy of Auto insurance for 2014, 2015, 2106 with both our names added and Address.

3) Copy of our Apartment lease with our names in it and signatures (electronic and by hand) for 2014, 2015, 2016.

4) Copy of HSA statement that shows Claims for Medical/Dental for 2014, 2015 and till now that shows our names for each claim.

5) Copy of Registration from 2015 and 2016 that shows both of us as owners of the car we bought last yr for wife to drive. We don't have the title because we are still financing it and trying to get a copy from Nissan.

6) Copy of Life insurance policy indicating my wife as beneficiary

7) Copy of her life insurance policy indicating me as beneficiary.

8) My bank account where i added her in May 2014 and statements for each month till now. Each statement is 10 pages and has both our names on it and our address. It does not say who made a transaction though.

9) Copy of statements from Her bank account that we use purely to withdraw quick cash if needed and not much transactions since her pay check just goes there but it has both our names on the statement and our address.

10) Copy of both our D river license indicating the address.

11) Copy of our Costco membership cards

12) Copy of our Amex card statement where she has a card since May 2014 and statements from then on for each month. Each statement is 10 pages long and i have it for 2 full yrs.

13) Copy of our medical insurance cards since she is added to mine.

Pending:

1) Tax transcript for 2013 and 2014 and should get it next week.

2) Copy of the title of the car bought last yr showing both of ur names and address.

3) Affidavit from 3 friends.

4) Photos from trips to Southern california done last yr.

Anything else important that i missed?

[TBoneTX 45,288]

Happy Chic is right on. Wills and healthcare powers of attorney are excellent evidence for ROC, and they're even more valuable to have in "life."

[Stevephoto 230]

Happy Chic is right on. Wills and healthcare powers of attorney are excellent evidence for ROC, and they're even more valuable to have in "life."

[Pitaya 2,577]

We got an RFE for not providing ALL financial documents since the inception of the marriage. I had initially submitted one statement per quarter.

See my Response #6 in this thread from last year: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/572609-what-if-our-rfe-isnt-enough-automatic-denial/

Hopefully you will get a nice adjudicator.

YMMV.

[vkrishn 97]

Your list looks good. Consider including wills and/or health power of attorney. Affidavits are secondary evidence and it's ok if you don't include them.

Thanks all.

I tried to do some googling regarding getting getting medical power of attorney and couldn't get very far. All the info i have read suggested going to a lawyer to get this done or use legalzoom. I live in the Bay area (San jose, CA) and was wondering if there is a cheaper way of doing it like filling the form by myself and my wife and submitting it to court without a lawyer? I know some paralegals do summary of dissolution for couples who are married for less than 2 yrs so that you don't have to step in a court room or hire a lawyer and much cheaper for a divorce. I haven't called paralegal services if they can provide similar services for medical power of attorney yet but wondering if there is a cheaper and easier way than spending my hard earned money on a lawyer who charges even if he/she sneezes.

Thanks.

We got an RFE for not providing ALL financial documents since the inception of the marriage. I had initially submitted one statement per quarter.

See my Response #6 in this thread from last year: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/572609-what-if-our-rfe-isnt-enough-automatic-denial/

Hopefully you will get a nice adjudicator.

YMMV.

Thanks. I will submit the truck load then. Wish they had a website where i can just upload all the statements which are in PDF format anyway so that they can just view it and not waste paper printing it. Too much paper work. :-)

Thanks,

[vkrishn 97]

Here's the healthcare power of attorney for people living in CA. There's nothing cheaper than this since it will cost you zero dollars to download, print and sign it. I don't know the notary costs in CA but that's the most you'd have to pay for doing this. Good luck!

Thank you very much!

[vkrishn 97]

I have another question. We are expecting our first kid in May 2016 and got our second scan done (at 20 weeks) and have pictures of the ultra sound. Does it make any impact if i add this to my evidence pool or use it as more bonafide evidence? I cannot mention this in I751 because Kid won't be born by the time we send the application and i am planning to send the application in a week or two.

Thanks.

Edited January 15, 2016 by vkrishn

[vkrishn 97]

Congratulations for your baby! Are you asking if you should submit the ultrasound pictures at a later point after you've already submitted the first pile of paperwork? If so, I don't think it's worth the hassle. Having a baby is not primary evidence for USCIS regardless of our perceptions on the subject. But if you have something regarding the birth to submit now, then go ahead, it won't hurt you.

Thanks.

Sorry for not being clear. I haven't sent my application yet and still in the process of putting together everything. We do have pics from the Ultrasound that also shows the expected delivery date which will be May 2016. So was wondering if i should include the ultrasound pics with the application packet that i will send by end of next week.

Edited January 15, 2016 by vkrishn

[Pitaya 2,577]

I wouldn't bother, USCIS (and the rest of the government) will only care when there is an actual birth.

On a side note, we used legalzoom.com for our wills, DPOAs and living wills. It cost just around $425.

Good luck on your immigration journey.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Pitaya

[vkrishn 97]

Thanks all.

Marriage date: Aug 23rd 2013

Wife POE: April 10th 2014.

Here is my pre final package list for ROC (for my wife)

1) Copies of front and back of wife's GC.

2) Cheque for $590

3) I751 form filled and signed.

4)Copy of tax transcript for 2013 and 2014 from IRS. 2015 yet to submit.

5) Copy of HSA statement that shows the claim for the past 2years to each and every doctor we have been to (PCP, Ortho Gynec)

6) Copy of 401K documents showing myself as beneficiary.

7) Copy of 401K documents showing my wife as beneficiary.

6) Copy of Life insurance policy showing me (husband) as beneficiary.

7) Copy of Life insurance policy showing my wife as beneficiary.

8) Copy of notarized Medical Power of attorney (Thanks to Happy chic for suggesting to get this)

9) Copy of Auto insurance for 2014, 2015, 2106 with both our names added and Address.

10) Copy of both our Driver's license indicating our address.

11) Copy of Renter's Insurance for 2014, 2015, 2015 with both our names added with Address.

12) Copy of the title of our Nissan car bought on Feb 2015, showing joint ownership.

13 Copy of Registration from 2015 and 2016 that shows both of us as owners of the Nissan car.

14) Copy of our health insurance cards showing a joint policy.

15) Copy of Letter from my Bank indicating the date wife was added to the account and Bank statements per month since she was added to my account (Close to 2yrs).

16) Copy of Letter from her Bank indicating the date I was added to the account and Bank statements per month since I was added to her account (Close to 1yr). We opened this account after she got a job.

17) American express Credit card statements per month for the past almost 2 yrs. That is one big pile. It shows both our names and amount spent by each individual.

18) Copy of our Apartment lease with our names in it and signatures (electronic and by hand) for 2014, 2015, 2016

19) Copy of AT&T mobile phone statements since i got her a second phone line with both our names in it. That is another big pile. It also indicates phone numbers called for each month.

20) Copy of our Costco Club card.

21) Copy of Macys store card.

Pending:

1) Pages from passport that shows Schengen visa and stampings from mine and hers when we went to Paris in Aug 2013 (Honeymoon).

2) Pics from our Paris trip in 2013, Southern CA trip in 2014, SFO trip in 2014 (total of 7-8 pics)

3) Billing Statement from her car since Feb 2015 when it as bought that is being financed.

Pending and thinking if i need to send this.

1) First and last pages of passport of wife who is the conditional PR. Is this needed?

2) Passport size photographs (Some threads showed people sending this). Is this needed?

3) Marriage certificate. We send this already during I-130. Is this needed? Some people seem to have send this again for ROC.

4) Affidavits from friends.

5) Letter from Gynec indicating tests performed and confirmation of Pregnancy and Delivery date.

6) I have mostly prepared the documents for ROC since her POE which was in April 2014. Do i need to submit evidence from Aug 2013 to April 2014 and that isn't too much since she hadn't come to U.S then and all i would have is marriage certificate with both our names?

Anything else i missed? Thanks a bunch again for all your inputs.

Edited January 17, 2016 by vkrishn

[NikLR 13,227]

Thanks all.

Marriage date: Aug 23rd 2013

Wife POE: April 10th 2014.

Here is my pre final package list for ROC (for my wife)

1) Copies of front and back of wife's GC.

2) Cheque for $590

3) I751 form filled and signed.

4)Copy of tax transcript for 2013 and 2014 from IRS. 2015 yet to submit.

5) Copy of HSA statement that shows the claim for the past 2years to each and every doctor we have been to (PCP, Ortho Gynec)

6) Copy of 401K documents showing myself as beneficiary.

7) Copy of 401K documents showing my wife as beneficiary.

6) Copy of Life insurance policy showing me (husband) as beneficiary.

7) Copy of Life insurance policy showing my wife as beneficiary.

8) Copy of notarized Medical Power of attorney (Thanks to Happy chic for suggesting to get this)

9) Copy of Auto insurance for 2014, 2015, 2106 with both our names added and Address.

10) Copy of both our Driver's license indicating our address.

11) Copy of Renter's Insurance for 2014, 2015, 2015 with both our names added with Address.

12) Copy of the title of our Nissan car bought on Feb 2015, showing joint ownership.

13 Copy of Registration from 2015 and 2016 that shows both of us as owners of the Nissan car.

14) Copy of our health insurance cards showing a joint policy.

15) Copy of Letter from my Bank indicating the date wife was added to the account and Bank statements per month since she was added to my account (Close to 2yrs).

16) Copy of Letter from her Bank indicating the date I was added to the account and Bank statements per month since I was added to her account (Close to 1yr). We opened this account after she got a job.

17) American express Credit card statements per month for the past almost 2 yrs. That is one big pile. It shows both our names and amount spent by each individual.

18) Copy of our Apartment lease with our names in it and signatures (electronic and by hand) for 2014, 2015, 2016

19) Copy of AT&T mobile phone statements since i got her a second phone line with both our names in it. That is another big pile. It also indicates phone numbers called for each month.

--You can likely use quarterly statements for this. We didn't bother with the phone bills. They're gonna get paid no matter what... it's not strong evidence but you can include it if you want.

20) Copy of our Costco Club card.

21) Copy of Macys store card.

--does it have both names? if not, don't bother

Pending:

1) Pages from passport that shows Schengen visa and stampings from mine and hers when we went to Paris in Aug 2013 (Honeymoon).

2) Pics from our Paris trip in 2013, Southern CA trip in 2014, SFO trip in 2014 (total of 7-8 pics)

3) Billing Statement from her car since Feb 2015 when it as bought that is being financed.

--Does it have both names?

Pending and thinking if i need to send this.

1) First and last pages of passport of wife who is the conditional PR. Is this needed? NO

2) Passport size photographs (Some threads showed people sending this). Is this needed? NO

3) Marriage certificate. We send this already during I-130. Is this needed? Some people seem to have send this again for ROC. NO

4) Affidavits from friends.

5) Letter from Gynec indicating tests performed and confirmation of Pregnancy and Delivery date.

6) I have mostly prepared the documents for ROC since her POE which was in April 2014. Do i need to submit evidence from Aug 2013 to April 2014 and that isn't too much since she hadn't come to U.S then and all i would have is marriage certificate with both our names?

Anything else i missed? Thanks a bunch again for all your inputs.

Your list looks pretty good. You can include affidavits or not, up to you. They're weak evidence and you have lots of strong evidence otherwise.

[vkrishn 97]

Thanks All.

Dumb question but going to ask anyway. I looked at the "guide" section and found a sample cover letter to send with I751. Apparently that letter is written by U.S Citizen spouse (conditional PR's are husband and Kid). Now the form I751 is supposedly filled by the petitioner (ie: Conditional PR). Is that ok?

Should the cover letter be written such that Conditional PR is asking to remover his/her conditions or should the cover letter be written by U.S citizen spouse? Just want to make sure if it should all be consistent.

Thanks!

[vkrishn 97]

In the USCIS-provided I-751 form, there are sections specific to the U.S. citizen spouse or the conditional LPR. In your cover letter, it doesn't matter who signs it. It can be the USC spouse alone, the LPR spouse alone, or both of you together. Technically a cover letter isn't required for USCIS but it just looks professional.

Thank you. I will stick to the plan of me writing the cover letter then.

Almost there to send it out. :-)