Oregon 'terrorists' don't plan siege very well, put out plea for snacks and supplies

[lostinblue 1,989]

[smilesammich 10,727]

this is so cute, everybody now join in..post a black person who has committed a crime or been accused of one. the protestors in oregon are WHITE..OF COURSE NO ONE IS IN DANGER.

LOL.

[Darnell 8,478]

snackies? snackies will come in, ups and fedex delivers....

[Rob L 3,811]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-armed-oregon-ranchers-who-want-free-land-are-already-getting-a-93-percent-discount/

The Armed Oregon Ranchers Who Want Free Land Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount

By LEAH LIBRESCO

Ammon Bundy in Nevada in 2014, before he led an armed takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon this weekend.

GEORGE FREY / GETTY IMAGES

The takeover of a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon appears to be more than just a protest of the impending imprisonment of two ranchers who set fires that spread into public lands. The armed demonstrators are led by Ammon Bundy, whose father, Cliven, has refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the federal Bureau of Land Management to own some public lands or to regulate their use for grazing. But the government is giving the Bundy family a pretty good deal on the grazing rights it refuses to pay for.

In 1993, the bureau declined to renew Cliven Bundy’s grazing permits in parts of Nevada that were reserved for a threatened desert tortoise. But Bundy continued grazing his cattle there anyway and refused to pay any fines or fees. He claimed that the land really belonged to him, so why should he have to pay over $1 million in fines?

Now his son has furthered the fight by seizing the Oregon refuge. In a news conference Sunday, Ammon Bundy explained that he was there in protest of the “unconstitutional transactions of land rights and water rights.”

Those transactions, though, can be a pretty good deal, regardless of their constitutionality. According to a 2015 report by the Center for Biological Diversity, the Bureau of Land Management’s fees for grazing cattle on public land are much lower than the fees charged by private landowners, and they’ve only become cheaper in recent years.

In 2012, the bureau’s fees for grazing were 93 percent cheaper than the average market rate in 16 Western states ($1.35 versus $20.10 per AUM, which is a fancy acronym for the amount of land needed to support a cow and her calf for a month¹).

The bureau’s fees are so much lower than the market price in part because its fees are set at a flat, national rate and can’t be adjusted to match demand in local markets. Plus, the bureau sets that national grazing price using a formula, rather than any kind of bidding system or market appraisals, as some other federal agencies with higher prices² do. As a result, in 2014, grazing fees covered only 15 percent of the bureau’s costs to maintain grazing lands. The rest of the cost is made up in federal appropriations and covered by taxpayers.

So getting to buy grazing rights from the Bureau of Land Management is a steal, unless, like the Bundys, you think the government is trying to charge you for what’s rightfully yours. Or, at the very least, not rightfully theirs. The Bundys claim the land because their ancestors worked on it before the bureau even existed.

The federal government owns over 80 percent of all land in the Bundys’ home state of Nevada and over half of all the land in Oregon. If that land were privately owned, the market price for grazing rights might be lower than it is today, as more private land owners competed with each other. But, for now, the government is using its clout to lower costs for ranchers, if they’re willing to accept the aid.

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

this is so cute, everybody now join in..post a black person who has committed a crime or been accused of one. the protestors in oregon are WHITE..OF COURSE NO ONE IS IN DANGER.

LOL.

Oh, me! me!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Oh, me! me!

That was strong kudos

[smilesammich 10,727]

Oh, me! me!

very very good! covering all the bases here..as we have a black man who protested, went to jail, and was killed by whitey!

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

this is so cute, everybody now join in..post a black person who has committed a crime or been accused of one. the protesters in Oregon are WHITE..OF COURSE NO ONE IS IN DANGER.

LOL.

On either side.. Whats the lesson?

(it was either that or bring up Ruby Ridge)

[smilesammich 10,727]

On either side.. Whats the lesson?

(it was either that or bring up Ruby Ridge)

if you want a free place to stay and play pioneer - get yerself armed and head over to some federal property where they're protecting birds or turtles or something. cry about upholding the constitution, record yourself blubbering, upload to youtube/facebook. invite yer kin along. gas up yer guzzler and git goin. this is all a joke and no one will stop you!*

*if white/white kin, use the cliven bundy "better off as slaves" reason test

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

The Armed Oregon Ranchers Who Want Free Land Are Already Getting A 93 Percent Discount

A bit disingenuous.. When the federal government owns 80% of the land in the area they are the largest determining factor in what "market price" is.. If all that land was suddenly available the prices would plummet.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

if you want a free place to stay and play pioneer - get yerself armed and head over to some federal property where they're protecting birds or turtles or something. cry about upholding the constitution, record yourself blubbering, upload to youtube/facebook. invite yer kin along. gas up yer guzzler and git goin. this is all a joke and no one will stop you!*

*if white/white kin, use the cliven bundy "better off as slaves" reason test

I only +1'd because i laughed.

[Rob L 3,811]

A bit disingenuous.. When the federal government owns 80% of the land in the area they are the largest determining factor in what "market price" is.. If all that land was suddenly available the prices would plummet.

we don't have to put everything on the market at once.

[ExPatty 502]

if you want a free place to stay and play pioneer - get yerself armed and head over to some federal property where they're protecting birds or turtles or something. cry about upholding the constitution, record yourself blubbering, upload to youtube/facebook. invite yer kin along. gas up yer guzzler and git goin. this is all a joke and no one will stop you!*

*if white/white kin, use the cliven bundy "better off as slaves" reason test

I think you are starting to get it. These people didn't take over a court house in DC, they are in the middle of nowhere in a tiny building running out of food in the winter. The government is responding exactly as it should: ignoring them until they get bored. It will follow up later and arrest the leaders for their involvement.

Or do you think a half dozen MRAPs should assault these people? What exactly are you upset about? And why do you keep mentioning race?

Edited January 5, 2016 by ExPatty

[Darnell 8,478]

ain't no one sending a box o cupcakes out ? grrr and drats !

[smilesammich 10,727]

I think you are starting to get it. These people didn't take over a court house in DC, they are in the middle of nowhere in a tiny building running out of food in the winter. The government is responding exactly as it should: ignoring them until they get bored. It will follow up later and arrest the leaders for their involvement.

Or do you think a half dozen MRAPs should assault these people? What exactly are you upset about? And why do you keep mentioning race?

you think what these good ol boys are doing in oregon is a ok. do i think they should be assaulted, no. but i do think that there is no way that a black militia could get away with the same thing? no, i don't. i'm not upset, i'm glad that these fellas are proving the racial inequalities in this country. and, i'm mentioning race because - race matters. it matters in how law enforcement deals with your actions, it matters in how law enforcement perceives your presence as a threat, or not. i'm quite glad these guys have carried on with their little field trip siege, like i've said before the vindication is sweet.