This Muslim Woman Created a "Talk to a Muslim" Stand to Combat Islamophobia

[Expat1 971]

Are u accusing me of something cause that would be a sin also ;-)

You can expose that sin anytime you want by declaring the referenced Hadith as invalid. I'm waiting for you to do that. I am assuming that it is a valid, accepted teaching.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Expat1

[Expat1 971]

You are the one saying the word not stupid, not me....

Just saving you some time LOL

[Boiler 46,250]

Actually there are three reasons lying is acceptable in Islam. I am wondering which one you are using to justify yours. Hopefully not wartime LOL. Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm stupid again.

Qur'an (16:106) --Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

[Expat1 971]

Qur'an (16:106) --Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

Reliance of the Traveler (p. 746 - 8.2) - "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible (N:i.e. when the purpose of lying is to circumvent someone who is preventing one from doing something permissible), and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory... it is religiously precautionary in all cases to employ words that give a misleading impression...

"One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie."

Muslim (32:6303) - "...he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons, and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife or the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)."

[Expat1 971]

Qur'an (16:106) --Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie.

Bukhari (49:857) - "He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things, is not a liar." Lying is permitted when the end justifies the means.

Bukhari (84:64-65) - Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an "enemy."

I keep looking for that sin thing dude, it ain't there. You don't think he/she was........misrepresenting that do you?

I sure hope the intent was reconciliation and not battle in doing so.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Expat1

[smilesammich 10,727]

it's really pointless to pick out verses from the koran that are backwards and irrelevant and not give the bible the same treatment.

Edited December 30, 2015 by elitesthuglib

[Boiler 46,250]

it's really pointless to pick out verses from the koran that are backwards and irrelevant and not give the bible the same treatment.

Pointing out the terms under which the majority of the adherents follow, so the comparison is not valid.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Pointing out the terms under which the majority of the adherents follow, so the comparison is not valid.

why isn't it? who decides these things? certainly not you.

[smilesammich 10,727]

I keep looking for that sin thing dude, it ain't there. You don't think he/she was........misrepresenting that do you?

I sure hope the intent was reconciliation and not battle in doing so.

why do you even care? how exactly does one who is not a follower of a religion determine what actual followers of a religion believe?

[Boiler 46,250]

why isn't it? who decides these things? certainly not you.

Allah

(Not me if you wee wondering)

[smilesammich 10,727]

Allah

(Not me if you wee wondering)

sooo why don't you stop worrying about if someone is allowed to lie to peddle their religion and just wait for allah to show up and settle things. i worry you stress the uncontrollable too much, boiler. i'm concerned for your health.

[Expat1 971]

it's really pointless to pick out verses from the koran that are backwards and irrelevant and not give the bible the same treatment.

Not your, or Boiler, or my place to declare them backwards and irrelevant.

He/she can do so with a simple statement. I'm all in though in saying it won't happen. It can't.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Expat1

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This thread is about combating Islamophobia.

Islam originated in the Middle East. "Certified" translations of the Quran are done so in the MIddle East. What is and is not "valid Hadith" is determined to be so in the Middle East. Why are you so afraid to address the bald faced truth about what Islam really is and really teaches, directly from the Cradle of Islam itself?

Muslims are quite proud that their teachings are pure and untouched from the beginning, and point to the christian bible as being butchered in translation while waving their untouched Quran. The teachings, beliefs, and practices are applied from the same writers and same sources across the board. Do you think I am so stupid that I don't know that the ONLY thing between US Muslim communities and a Saudi type governing system on a local level in local communities is the US Constitution? "Islam" in its purest form is directly contradictory to our founding principles, because it is both political and religious, and one cannot exist without the other. When Muslims are given a vote in Islamic countries, they vote for Islam as their governing system. When Islam is the governing system, the law itself says that Muslims are treated one way and non-Muslims are treated another. The way non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries, absent a secular legal system of protection, is exactly the same way slaves were treated in the 1700-1800's.

What I cannot fathom is why in the world you want to go back to that, or allow any pockets of any community in the US to go back to that.

I don't care what some lady says in a booth in America. Islam also teaches that it is acceptable to lie to advance the cause of Islam.

Really? The thread content is talking about a Muslim in Cambridge, Mass. Not in the Middle East. In the other thread about the black Muslim, you were determined to keep it on track. So, be consistent or post somewhere else.

So if Islam teaches you to lie. That explains a lot...

[Expat1 971]

Really? The thread content is talking about a Muslim in Cambridge, Mass. Not in the Middle East. In the other thread about the black Muslim, you were determined to keep it on track. So, be consistent or post somewhere else.

So if Islam teaches you to lie. That explains a lot...

It was earlier determined that it was a violation of TOS to bring issues from thread to thread. You might think about tightening up.

As for the lying thing those words are hundreds of years old. Yes, they do explain a lot don't they.

Edited December 30, 2015 by Expat1

[smilesammich 10,727]

Not your, or Boiler, or my place to declare them backwards and irrelevant.

He/she can do so with a simple statement. I'm all in though in saying it won't happen. It can't.

wait, what won't happen?