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[ExPatty 502]

Oddly enough ole Jeb is gaining some traction based on his ISIS fear propaganda. It would be pretty ironic if a 3rd Bush becomes president thanks to the flustercluck his daddy and brother started.

He still stands behind his brother's actions, too.

I believe the constitution should be amended to ban all Bush lineage from public office in any capacity until 10 generations have passed.

[smilesammich 10,727]

He still stands behind his brother's actions, too.

oddly enough (lol), so does hillary.

[Teddy B 17,252]

He still stands behind his brother's actions, too.

I believe the constitution should be amended to ban all Bush lineage from public office in any capacity until 10 generations have passed.

I'll agree to that amendment if we throw the Kennedy's in as well.

[JayJayH 546]

I wish there was a Republican that supported a minimum wage increase and LBGT protections. I'm forced to be a liberal just to be happy with the person I love and to get a raise.

Sad isn't it? I voted for Dole and Bush but the GOP has gone completely insane.

This is the epitome of the GOP's problem.

Since Obama stepped into office, a big portion of the GOP has moved farther to the right, while the country as a whole has largely remained in the middle. Couple that with issues such as same-sex marriage, which more and more Americans support, the GOP has been firing up a smaller and smaller portion of the general electorate.

You win a primary by firing up the base (Trump, Carson, Cruz).

You win a general election by winning over independents and moderates (Rubio, Bush, Kasich).

I know plenty of traditionally liberal voters who would consider voting for Rubio or Kasich rather than Hillary, but who'd still vote for Hillary as the "lesser of two evils" in a match-up against Trump or Cruz. Not that "who I know" is a scientifically reliable statistic of anything.

Edited December 28, 2015 by JayJayH

[smilesammich 10,727]

I know plenty of traditionally liberal voters who would consider voting for Rubio or Kasich rather than Hillary, but who'd still vote for Hillary as the "lesser of two evils" in a match-up against Trump or Cruz. Not that "who I know" is a scientifically reliable statistic of anything.

maybe i don't know enough liberals, but i don't know anyone personally who would consider voting for rubio or kasich. bernie or a spoiled vote and that's it. no hillary.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

This is the epitome of the GOP's problem.

Since Obama stepped into office, a big portion of the GOP has moved farther to the right, while the country as a whole has largely remained in the middle. Couple that with issues such as same-sex marriage, which more and more Americans support, the GOP has been firing up a smaller and smaller portion of the general electorate.

You win a primary by firing up the base (Trump, Carson, Cruz).

You win a general election by winning over independents and moderates (Rubio, Bush, Kasich).

I know plenty of traditionally liberal voters who would consider voting for Rubio or Kasich rather than Hillary, but who'd still vote for Hillary as the "lesser of two evils" in a match-up against Trump or Cruz. Not that "who I know" is a scientifically reliable statistic of anything.

I think you are right (the 'not wrong' type, not the 'not left' type) - I think more and more segments of the population are moving to the left on social issues and have begun to view them as more important than other issues (or they think the government can actually make change on social issues). The GOP has to keep the religious wing of the party happy which is forcing them to lose the middle on social issues.

I think Clinton is playing it perfect for the general election - Parrot the right on non-social issues so there is no real debate to have which only leaves the social issues where the GOP loses its middle support.

Edited December 28, 2015 by OnMyWayID

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I think you are right (the 'not wrong' type, not the 'not left' type) - I think more and more segments of the population are moving to the left on social issues and have begun to view them as more important than other issues (or they think the government can actually make change on social issues). The GOP has to keep the religious wing of the party happy which is forcing them to lose the middle on social issues.

I think Clinton is playing it perfect for the general election - Parrot the right on non-social issues so there is no real debate to have which only leaves the social issues where the GOP loses its middle support.

The only problem is her record.

I call myself a social left leaning. I strongly disagree with Cruz on issues like Abortion and Gay rights. However those issues are pretty much settled and very little a President can do to change that.

The national Debt and National security are much bigger issues to me. Areas in which I think Cruz will shine.

[JayJayH 546]

maybe i don't know enough liberals, but i don't know anyone personally who would consider voting for rubio or kasich. bernie or a spoiled vote and that's it. no hillary.

You're right. I'll rephrase, Democrats, not liberals per se.

I think you are right (the 'not wrong' type, not the 'not left' type) - I think more and more segments of the population are moving to the left on social issues and have begun to view them as more important than other issues (or they think the government can actually make change on social issues). The GOP has to keep the religious wing of the party happy which is forcing them to lose the middle on social issues.

I think Clinton is playing it perfect for the general election - Parrot the right on non-social issues so there is no real debate to have which only leaves the social issues where the GOP loses its middle support.

The way I see it, the GOP is in a situation a lot like the one they were in ca 1964, following Kennedy's election, assassination and Lyndon Johnson's succession to the presidency. Lyndon Johnson was a very progressive Democrat for his time, by 1960s standards perhaps even more so than Barack Obama today. This of course moved large parts of the GOP farther to the right, leading to a fractionalized Republican Party and an internal power struggle between Goldwater Republicans and more moderate Rockefeller Republicans. Ultimately, Barry Goldwater won the Republican nomination.

Barry Goldwater was praised by a lot of conservative Republicans, but was highly disliked by many more moderate Republicans. More importantly, Goldwater was completely unelectable to most independents and conservative Democrats. In the end, Lyndon Johnson won the 1964 election by one of the biggest landslides in U.S. history. Even worse for the GOP, Goldwater dragged a lot of Republican house and senate seats down with him, leading to Johnson being able to push his Great Society policies. It took an internal revolution within the GOP, coupled with a highly unpopular war in Vietnam and Johnson losing the south to give Nixon a slight victory in 1968.

I believe, and this is just my opinion, that a Trump or Cruz nomination would lead the GOP to a situation similar to the 1964 election, in which it could stand to lose a lot more than the presidency. The GOP would be better off, in my opinion, by creating a broad coalition much like how Democrats have managed, and I believe Rubio, Bush, Christie or Kasich would be far better equipped to do so by bringing in more independent voters, and even a number of more conservative Democrats.

The only problem is her record.

I call myself a social left leaning. I strongly disagree with Cruz on issues like Abortion and Gay rights. However those issues are pretty much settled and very little a President can do to change that.

The national Debt and National security are much bigger issues to me. Areas in which I think Cruz will shine.

Yep, as far as social issues are concerned, there likely is no going back. This election will likely be one of a. "Keep the current path", b. "Halt the current path", or c. "Create a new path."

Justice Ginsburg and Justice Breyer are likely to retire within the next 4 years, definitely within the next 8 years. Both are in the "liberal wing" of the Supreme Court.

Edited December 29, 2015 by JayJayH

[smilesammich 10,727]

I call myself a social left leaning.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Let's see . I am pro choice, pro gay rights, pro weed legalization etc etc

[smilesammich 10,727]

Let's see . I am pro choice, pro gay rights, pro weed legalization etc etc

that's exactly what jack said!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

that's exactly what jack said!

My bestie at work is a large black dude. I love to tell customers he is my twin brother . Anyway I ran into two old very country redneck ladies Sarurday. I asked if anyone was helping them? They said, " That big kulred fella. I was appalled and told him what they said. That proves I am a social liberal

[smilesammich 10,727]

My bestie at work is a large black dude. I love to tell customers he is my twin brother . Anyway I ran into two old very country redneck ladies Sarurday. I asked if anyone was helping them? They said, " That big kulred fella. I was appalled and told him what they said. That proves I am a social liberal

i didn't peg you for such an easily offended whiner. they're old ladies and you're in ga. what did you expect?