Should no-fly mean no buy?: Our view

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

So it sounds like that if folks on both sides can get off the rhetoric and get on a practical plan , we can check Citizens who want to purchase guns against the no fly list.

We do. It's called a background check.

[Merle 458]

We do. It's called a background check.

Isn't it frustrating arguing anything to do with guns with people who have neither a clue about guns or any of the laws, process, or forms required to be filled out to get one legally?

[Rob L 3,811]

We do. It's called a background check.

Isn't it frustrating arguing anything to do with guns with people who have neither a clue about guns or any of the laws, process, or forms required to be filled out to get one legally?

Who is arguing? I am trying to educate myself and you folks are the teachers. The original premise of the article posted was " Using a secret and sloppy list to take away a constitutional right is a bad idea"

I was just trying to address the objection to comparing prospective gun buyers to the no fly list because from my , admittedly uneducated , perspective if you are not good to fly, you are probably not good to own a weapon,

If your are saying that a background check will go out to the no fly list and flag that transaction if there is a potential match, doesn't that potentially violate the 2nd amendment?

Edited December 14, 2015 by Rob L

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Isn't it frustrating arguing anything to do with guns with people who have neither a clue about guns or any of the laws, process, or forms required to be filled out to get one legally?

No its expected. I just got a sweet .380 glock. Won it in the poo lease raffle

[Sousuke 1,214]

Who is arguing? I am trying to educate myself and you folks are the teachers. The original premise of the article posted was " Using a secret and sloppy list to take away a constitutional right is a bad idea"

I was just trying to address the objection to comparing prospective gun buyers to the no fly list because from my , admittedly uneducated , perspective if you are not good to fly, you are probably not good to own a weapon,

If your are saying that a background check will go out to the no fly list and flag that transaction if there is a potential match, doesn't that potentially violate the 2nd amendment?

I would hazard to guess that purchases already get flagged to a certain degree because the NICS system is run by the FBI. The thing is, the no fly list is very sloppy compared to the NICS. I've heard stories of 5 year olds being blocked by the no fly list, whereas that seems less likely with the NICS.

No its expected. I just got a sweet .380 glock. Won it in the poo lease raffle

Glock 42?

I don't own a Glock, but have wanted a Glock 26 for a long time. My birthday is coming up in two months, and it might just be the time to get one.

[Rob L 3,811]

I would hazard to guess that purchases already get flagged to a certain degree because the NICS system is run by the FBI. The thing is, the no fly list is very sloppy compared to the NICS. I've heard stories of 5 year olds being blocked by the no fly list, whereas that seems less likely with the NICS.

The Brady Bill NICS? Not sure I see our prospective terrorist here:

under sections 922(g)^[11] and (n)^[12] of the GCA certain persons are prohibited from:

• Shipping or transporting any firearm or ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;
• Receiving any firearm or ammunition that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.^[7]

A prohibited person is one who:

• Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• Is a fugitive from justice;
• Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
• Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;
• Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
• Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;
• Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;
• Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.^[7]

[Sousuke 1,214]

The Brady Bill NICS? Not sure I see our prospective terrorist here:

under sections 922(g)^[11] and (n)^[12] of the GCA certain persons are prohibited from:

• Shipping or transporting any firearm or ammunition in interstate or foreign commerce;
• Receiving any firearm or ammunition that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.^[7]

A prohibited person is one who:

• Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;
• Is a fugitive from justice;
• Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;
• Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;
• Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;
• Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;
• Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;
• Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;
• Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.^[7]

I'm referring to literal online system that handles the 4473 form. I'm quite certain the FBI mines info out of that system these days.

Again, that doesn't mean they have the right to do anything about it. Especially if someone is on their list from simply visiting a country.

Edited December 14, 2015 by Sousuke

[Boiler 45,657]

I had a e mail flyer about the Remington in .38, any thoughts?

[Rob L 3,811]

I had a e mail flyer about the Remington in .38, any thoughts?

Are you a citizen?

[Boiler 45,657]

Are you a citizen?

Yes

But not of the US.

[Rob L 3,811]

Yes

But not of the US.

then your rights don't count

[Rob L 3,811]

then your rights don't count

Really..all of the gun rights experts and no pushback?

[Boiler 45,657]

Not that keen on Pol Pot either to be fair.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Not that keen on Pol Pot either to be fair.

no atheists too?! such an american!

[Ban Hammer 13,398]

actually, i think since boiler is a gun owner and lives in the us , his rights trump mine. since i was born in america but don't have a gun or have a favorite religion. so sad.

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