Here’s the TRUE Non-Politically Correct History of Islam’s Violence

[Dakine10 5,452]

See my above rant as a response to this. No one is ignoring that the colonials owned slaves. It was the norm at the time, just as were petticoats and dirt floors in homes. My ancestors came from Poland, Finland, and a couple of indigenous tribes on this continent; yet I am made to feel as though I am a bad person because I am white, and whites owned blacks for what amounted to a VERY short time in the history of slave ownership. SMH

You probably should read the post I was responding as you seem to have missed the context. It wasn't about who owned slaves, it was about how (at least) one person posting in this thread thinks Islam is the cause of the American slave trade. I let that go the first time as just seemed to stupid to warrant a response. The second time was just a bit too much to let pass.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

That's a very weak premise. You do realize that was well over 200 years ago, yes? Parties change. In terms of political beliefs, it's often said that today's Republicans are yesterday's Democrats. The only semblance of the Democratic party of yesteryear and the Democratic party of today is the name itself.

200+ years ago is not relevant unless you are talking about the Crusades

[smilesammich 10,727]

200+ years ago is not relevant unless you are talking about the Crusades

not when you adopt my silly viewpoint, then it's as simple as "religion has a history of violence" then everyone's covered.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

That's a very weak premise. You do realize that was well over 200 years ago, yes? Parties change. In terms of political beliefs, it's often said that today's Republicans are yesterday's Democrats. The only semblance of the Democratic party of yesteryear and the Democratic party of today is the name itself.

Yes, it is. I just wanted to see what it felt like to post like so many on here do. Slavery happened that long ago, but it doesn't stop some on here from trying to make it the fault of Americans today.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

You probably should read the post I was responding as you seem to have missed the context. It wasn't about who owned slaves, it was about how (at least) one person posting in this thread thinks Islam is the cause of the American slave trade. I let that go the first time as just seemed to stupid to warrant a response. The second time was just a bit too much to let pass.

You're right. The problem with drugs in America today are those who buy them. The cartels and the pushers, they have nothing to do with the trade, right?

What is stupid is people who can't see the forest for the trees. If you had read the article I posted, you would be able to see that followers of islam have a history of violence like no other in history. From slavery to murder, it's not like they have made their way across centuries by helping the people who don't see things their way.

The American slave trade was a thimbleful of the vast ocean of slave trade that went on for hundreds of years before America even existed. Why does everyone want to try and classify America, and today's current residents, as evil monsters for something that happened hundreds of years ago that was normal practice? Learning from history is a good thing. Trying to blame people today for the past is... well, you get the point. I hope so, anyway.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Yes, it is. I just wanted to see what it felt like to post like so many on here do. Slavery happened that long ago, but it doesn't stop some on here from trying to make it the fault of Americans today.

I don't think people here lay fault for slavery on Americans today, but more so the lingering affects that still exist.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Yes, it is. I just wanted to see what it felt like to post like so many on here do. Slavery happened that long ago, but it doesn't stop some on here from trying to make it the fault of Americans today.

Uhhhhh no

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Someone who actually believes in the teachings of the quran, and has lived them for many years/all their lives. I have read the quran, but I don't believe IN the teachings there, therefore I am not a true believer. Not someone who is "dabbling" out of curiosity. I also don't think the believers of islam look favorably upon someone who has sworn to follow the religion, then later decided to give it up. Isn't the same fate reserved for them as for all infidels?

If you get upset when religious freedom is threatened, then how can you stand up and defend islam, which, by it's OWN definition of belief, says you should kill anyone of any other religion? Are the followers of islam not taught to suppress every other religion to the point of murder? To me, that is the ULTIMATE threat to one's religious freedom.

Please tell all of the constituents here where you and I EVER had a conversation about islam. Since I have never met you, we both know it's not true. I further challenge you to attempt to demonstrate where I have ever made a libelous statement against/about islam. I await your response to this. Do not disappoint me with your ability to back up your claims.

No one in this thread have said that muslims in this country are holding slaves, but that was a clever attempt to twist the explanations given in the article I posted, however misguided. The truth is, muslims were practicing slavery, and killing hundreds of thousands of black people, long before America was ever discovered. In fact, the one thing that most people think of, when a conversation about islam in general comes up, is not the teachings of mohammed, but the violent nature of the religion over the past thousand years or so.

As for your attempt to denigrate America for having had its very small part in the slavery market, you might want to consider that during that time, it was an accepted practice. (not, by any means, saying I agree with it) It's just the way things were done. Kind of continuation of the way the Romans did things, if you look back far enough in history. I am so tired of people trying to give America a black eye because its people were SO EVIL as to have owned slaves near the end of over a thousand years of slavery in just about every established nation on this earth. It also used to be the norm to walk and ride horses with a big iron on your hip, and draw and kill anyone who called you a liar or a cheat. Those times have come and gone, let's try and move on, shall we? I can very confidently say that NO ONE on this forum supported slavery, nor did any partake in the owning or beating of blacks in the past 100 years.

See my above rant as a response to this. No one is ignoring that the colonials owned slaves. It was the norm at the time, just as were petticoats and dirt floors in homes. My ancestors came from Poland, Finland, and a couple of indigenous tribes on this continent; yet I am made to feel as though I am a bad person because I am white, and whites owned blacks for what amounted to a VERY short time in the history of slave ownership. SMH

My former wife was a devout Muslim like her family. Yet they didn't go around killing people. And I didn't dabble for "curiosity", I converted. I'm sorry that because I lived my life not killing infidels I'm not qualified in your eyes. I fasted, read the Quran, and lived by the faith just like if I was a Christian. But your comments and memes of Islam shows me where you stand so it doesn't really matter.

Let's get to the meat of the problem. You believe that Muslims are all extremists and kill for any random reason, hence the reason why I'm not considered a TRUE Muslim. This is your premise.

As for your comment about Islam, do you want me to post the meme comparing Islam to Nazis? I remember you doing it because I was the one who said it was a shame that something so hateful was allowed in the forum.

And while we are on the subject of slavery, do all of you LWNJs realize that your democratic party were the ones who voted almost unanimously to keep slavery? That the republicans voted to do away with it? Ahhhhh, parties...

Um, duh. MLK, who was basically Black Jesus, was a registered Republican. Before the Southern strategy, the GOP was for minorities and civil rights. Now, look where the KKK and hate groups throw their support. It ain't the Democrats.

You're right. The problem with drugs in America today are those who buy them. The cartels and the pushers, they have nothing to do with the trade, right?

What is stupid is people who can't see the forest for the trees. If you had read the article I posted, you would be able to see that followers of islam have a history of violence like no other in history. From slavery to murder, it's not like they have made their way across centuries by helping the people who don't see things their way.

The American slave trade was a thimbleful of the vast ocean of slave trade that went on for hundreds of years before America even existed. Why does everyone want to try and classify America, and today's current residents, as evil monsters for something that happened hundreds of years ago that was normal practice? Learning from history is a good thing. Trying to blame people today for the past is... well, you get the point. I hope so, anyway.

Um, the Crusades, the Witch Hunts of Salem, the Grand Inquisitions, even the Third Reich used Christianity, any of these ring a bell?

And you say small, the entire country was built on the contributions of slavery. No one is blaming you about that, I don't know why you think the song is about you.

[Dakine10 5,452]

You're right. The problem with drugs in America today are those who buy them. The cartels and the pushers, they have nothing to do with the trade, right?

Both drug buyers and drug sellers are responsible. That was exactly the point I made to the implication that Islam was the driving factor in the slave trade. Those who bought, sold, and transported slaves were all responsible. Since the post I was responding to was specifically about this country, then the American landowners who bought slaves were a major factor in that.

If you don't like it fine - I don't either. It happened. If you don't want to talk about it then don't, I don't either. But denial is ignorant. That needs to be called out.

[Ban Hammer 13,714]

I don't think people here lay fault for slavery on Americans today, but more so the lingering affects that still exist.

effects...........

[elmcitymaven 9,712]

effects...........

It appears that efforts to affect you by misusing these near-homonyms are effective.

[Teddy B 17,252]

effects...........

Thank you professor Charles!

I knew it was a mistake to ask NB which one it was.

Edited December 11, 2015 by Teddy B

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Thank you professor Charles!

I knew it was a mistake to ask NB which one it was.

Huh what did I miss. If that was an attack please report yourself

[Teddy B 17,252]

Huh what did I miss. If that was an attack please report yourself

Reported and banned myself for two days as well. See ya Monday!

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

So, does this mean we should still be mad at the Christians that enslaved us and brought us here? Or do we ignore them and focus on Muslims?

Or do we look back at them and ignore the CURRENT people trying to keep us down here, cause I'm pretty sure Muslims in the US aren't trying to keep us from anything...

The current people keeping you down..

SMH