Here’s the TRUE Non-Politically Correct History of Islam’s Violence

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

This is a super silly viewpoint. Legally equal does not mean equal. It's like saying I'm equal to michael phelps at swimming because the law protects our ability to access water equally. I've seen a lot of mental gymnastics but none quite so desperate as yours with that sentence. it doesn't even make any sense. Extending your logic the koran is the same as the bible is the same as a spaghetti monster textbook; a mosque is the same as a church or a synagogue.

On the contrary here it is quantifed for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Pew_Research_Center_data

So because you start with the belief that nothing can be done about radical islam you pretend it doesn't exist or at the least don't want to talk about it.

Your story about the old testament is good but it also illustrates the point that virtually no jews happen to go along with the violence encouraged in the old testatment, in stark contrast to the many muslims who do go along with the violence encouraged in the koran. That's really the point I'm trying to make to begin with.

Which point specifically is "rubbish", the statistical fact that islam is behind most of the world's terrorism? Are you questioning that?

Considering we live in a country that people can just go shoot up a school, theater, mall or a church for no reason, do you really want to debate that? Because that's terrorism, and it happens almost every month in this country, and it's not Muslims that are slaughtering Americans by the thousands, it's Americans.

Edited December 10, 2015 by Stay Woke

[smilesammich 10,727]

This is a super silly viewpoint. Legally equal does not mean equal. It's like saying I'm equal to michael phelps at swimming because the law protects our ability to access water equally. I've seen a lot of mental gymnastics but none quite so desperate as yours with that sentence. it doesn't even make any sense. Extending your logic the koran is the same as the bible is the same as a spaghetti monster textbook; a mosque is the same as a church or a synagogue.

On the contrary here it is quantifed for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States#Pew_Research_Center_data

So because you start with the belief that nothing can be done about radical islam you pretend it doesn't exist or at the least don't want to talk about it.

Your story about the old testament is good but it also illustrates the point that virtually no jews happen to go along with the violence encouraged in the old testatment, in stark contrast to the many muslims who do go along with the violence encouraged in the koran. That's really the point I'm trying to make to begin with.

ok. well in my super silly mind the koran is the same as the bible is the same as the spaghetti monster textbook and the mosque is the same as a church etc etc. i honestly don't see what is so desperate about my opinion regarding religious freedom but it's clear that you find me stupid - so i won't ask you to clarify your "quantification" - we aren't at all coming from the same page.

but to clarify one thing you misunderstand my views about radical islam. i never said anything about pretending something doesn't exist and i wouldn't be here if i didn't want to talk about it. i believe a religion cannot be suppressed successfully by force. i do not see the point in going after a religion, i would rather focus on the extremists themselves. not the entire religion - because that is a waste of resources and only makes the followers of that religion emboldened to the religion, and essentially gives extremists leaders credibility.

and i literally can't stop laughing at this "virtually no jews happen to go along with the violence encouraged in the old testament" what planet do you live on?

[Jacque67 7,328]

A planet with no libraries, it seems.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

it would be super awesome if you got a legit answer on this one. i don't expect it, but i have a feeling if you do, it will go along the lines of the kkk not being real christians..

25% of all white folks world wide are not KKK supporters might be one reason

Considering we live in a country that people can just go shoot up a school, theater, mall or a church for no reason, do you really want to debate that? Because that's terrorism, and it happens almost every month in this country, and it's not Muslims that are slaughtering Americans by the thousands, it's Americans.

Actually it's not terrorism and we have covered that many times. You are going to have to start taking better notes

[ExPatty 502]

Considering we live in a country that people can just go shoot up a school, theater, mall or a church for no reason, do you really want to debate that? Because that's terrorism, and it happens almost every month in this country, and it's not Muslims that are slaughtering Americans by the thousands, it's Americans.

In other words you know I'm right but want to deflect back to something else off topic and out of scope of this discussion.

and i literally can't stop laughing at this "virtually no jews happen to go along with the violence encouraged in the old testament" what planet do you live on?

Israel has a policy of cutting off the hands of people and stoning others?

I love when people bring up the KKK in these discussions. Estimates of kkk in the US are between 5000 and 8000. They are a completely irrelevant group, meaningless, a total pariah. Is that really a good defense against islamic terrorists killing thousands/year?

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

25% of all white folks world wide are not KKK supporters might be one reason

Actually it's not terrorism and we have covered that many times. You are going to have to start taking better notes

Seeing as how the KKK is now pro-Trump, your numbers might not be so far off.

When a person walks into a theater and opens fire, they're spreading terror. That's terrorism. Dear is a terrorist.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Seeing as how the KKK is now pro-Trump, your numbers might not be so far off.

When a person walks into a theater and opens fire, they're spreading terror. That's terrorism. Dear is a terrorist.

No its not and we have told you why many times.a nut job shooting up a movie theatre is not terrorism.

It's like groundhog day with you.

One more time. Take notes

Billy Bob blowing up a federal building becuse he thinks federal govt needs to be sent a message is Terrorism.

Mohammad blowing up a Burger King because he thinks the Burger King Man, is sending him subliminal messages is not

[Janelle2002 3,865]

No its not and we have told you why many times.a nut job shooting up a movie theatre is not terrorism.

It's like groundhog day with you.

One more time. Take notes

Billy Bob blowing up a federal building becuse he thinks federal govt needs to be sent a message is Terrorism.

Mohammad blowing up a Burger King because he thinks the Burger King Man, is sending him subliminal messages is not

Uhhhhh it's funny mass shootings in America are mental issues. Since we have so many mentally ill people we should take away guns

[ready4ONE 5,400]

In other words you know I'm right but want to deflect back to something else off topic and out of scope of this discussion.Israel has a policy of cutting off the hands of people and stoning others?

I love when people bring up the KKK in these discussions. Estimates of kkk in the US are between 5000 and 8000. They are a completely irrelevant group, meaningless, a total pariah. Is that really a good defense against islamic terrorists killing thousands/year?

You aren't right about the majority of people who follow Islam, most especially those who do so in the US. I have no doubt at all that the majority are peaceful and the 30 deaths since 9 11 attributable to Radical Islamists, despite millions of Muslims in this country, make the insinuation that they are not is completely laughable.

Israelis don't cut off hands and feet or engage in public stonings but they are quite often responding to stones thrown their way with live bullets.

[OriZ 3,157]

and i literally can't stop laughing at this "virtually no jews happen to go along with the violence encouraged in the old testament" what planet do you live on?

This day and age...very few, very few...it happens, there are jewish extremists, but it's rare.

Israelis don't cut off hands and feet or engage in public stonings but they are quite often responding to stones thrown their way with live bullets.

Stones kill, just ask the dozens of people that have been killed by them(or by crashing their car after having stones thrown at them). And it's rarely live bullets, normally rubber.

[smilesammich 10,727]

25% of all white folks world wide are not KKK supporters might be one reason

where are you getting this 25% from? anyway, you'd be surprised who sympathizes with the kkk's ideology but is too embarrassed to say so. i'm mean, the kkk is too embarassed to say so, hence the hoods.

Israel has a policy of cutting off the hands of people and stoning others?

I love when people bring up the KKK in these discussions. Estimates of kkk in the US are between 5000 and 8000. They are a completely irrelevant group, meaningless, a total pariah. Is that really a good defense against islamic terrorists killing thousands/year?

oh did you mean israel when you said jews? i might as well fill you in, my silly brain also sees violence as violence. i don't care if hands are being cut off, heads are being severed, or people are simply being bombed and shot in a 'civilized' fashion - lol. killing and violence are just that. method is of little matter.

the kkk is not irrelevant, i wish they were but more importantly, concerning the bolded bit i had no idea that you were expecting me to defend islamic terrorists with my response. i'm not going to do that and that isn't what this discussion is about. i think you might not understand the difference between defending religious freedom and defending terror.

This day and age...very few, very few...it happens, there are jewish extremists, but it's rare.

religion does not determine propensity for violence. like i said above, murder is murder - i don't care how it's carried out, or what religion the murderers claim. no difference.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

What is a devout Islam follower?

Someone who actually believes in the teachings of the quran, and has lived them for many years/all their lives. I have read the quran, but I don't believe IN the teachings there, therefore I am not a true believer. Not someone who is "dabbling" out of curiosity. I also don't think the believers of islam look favorably upon someone who has sworn to follow the religion, then later decided to give it up. Isn't the same fate reserved for them as for all infidels?

i get upset when religious freedom is threatened. it isn't for the drama, i'm actually disgusted how many 'patriots' forget the essentials.

If you get upset when religious freedom is threatened, then how can you stand up and defend islam, which, by it's OWN definition of belief, says you should kill anyone of any other religion? Are the followers of islam not taught to suppress every other religion to the point of murder? To me, that is the ULTIMATE threat to one's religious freedom.

I think that's aimed towards you. There are many forums that support your way of thinking, yet you come here and ask questions that you really don't want the answers to. You seem content in just trying to slander Islam with no real discussion.

Please tell all of the constituents here where you and I EVER had a conversation about islam. Since I have never met you, we both know it's not true. I further challenge you to attempt to demonstrate where I have ever made a libelous statement against/about islam. I await your response to this. Do not disappoint me with your ability to back up your claims.

So tell me Lib, where are Muslims in this country holding slaves? Did Muslims in this country enslave the Africans here and put them through 400 plus years of slavery and segregation?

You ask how can someone support Islam, considering how the KKK and every single hate extremist group in the country uses Christianity as it's mantra, how can you follow Christ?

No one in this thread have said that muslims in this country are holding slaves, but that was a clever attempt to twist the explanations given in the article I posted, however misguided. The truth is, muslims were practicing slavery, and killing hundreds of thousands of black people, long before America was ever discovered. In fact, the one thing that most people think of, when a conversation about islam in general comes up, is not the teachings of mohammed, but the violent nature of the religion over the past thousand years or so.

As for your attempt to denigrate America for having had its very small part in the slavery market, you might want to consider that during that time, it was an accepted practice. (not, by any means, saying I agree with it) It's just the way things were done. Kind of continuation of the way the Romans did things, if you look back far enough in history. I am so tired of people trying to give America a black eye because its people were SO EVIL as to have owned slaves near the end of over a thousand years of slavery in just about every established nation on this earth. It also used to be the norm to walk and ride horses with a big iron on your hip, and draw and kill anyone who called you a liar or a cheat. Those times have come and gone, let's try and move on, shall we? I can very confidently say that NO ONE on this forum supported slavery, nor did any partake in the owning or beating of blacks in the past 100 years.

The main factor here - in America - was actually the slave buyers, who were by and large colonial American land owners. To ignore that is just asinine. If there were no American slave buyers there wouldn't be slaves here period. How the hell you can miss that fact is beyond me.

As far as traders/sellers, they came from a multitude of places, including indigenous tribes. Let's not forget the European traders that bought and captured slaves in Africa to sell in America. They were also sellers who profited in the trade of human beings. They were not bystanders.

See my above rant as a response to this. No one is ignoring that the colonials owned slaves. It was the norm at the time, just as were petticoats and dirt floors in homes. My ancestors came from Poland, Finland, and a couple of indigenous tribes on this continent; yet I am made to feel as though I am a bad person because I am white, and whites owned blacks for what amounted to a VERY short time in the history of slave ownership. SMH

[smilesammich 10,727]

If you get upset when religious freedom is threatened, then how can you stand up and defend islam, which, by it's OWN definition of belief, says you should kill anyone of any other religion? Are the followers of islam not taught to suppress every other religion to the point of murder? To me, that is the ULTIMATE threat to one's religious freedom.

no, people who feel their personal interpretations of a religion should determine the interpretation of a religion for everyone else is the ultimate threat to one's religious freedom. i'm defending each american's right to choose whichever religion (or leave it all alone) as they wish, because that's what religious freedom is.

and no, followers of islam are not taught to murder other religions. not across the board - not even the majority.

if i didn't defend people's right to follow islam, or jehovah's witness or christianity - even though i thinks it's all complete and utter nonsense - i can't expect anyone to defend my right to shun religion. i certainly don't want my government assigning me a nice wholesome american strain of christianity because 'america's a xian nation' - and that is what's on the line. not some paranoia fueled world war between isis and bible believin, heat packin, followers of the one true god. that's theater.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

And while we are on the subject of slavery, do all of you LWNJs realize that your democratic party were the ones who voted almost unanimously to keep slavery? That the republicans voted to do away with it? Ahhhhh, parties...

[Teddy B 17,252]

And while we are on the subject of slavery, do all of you LWNJs realize that your democratic party were the ones who voted almost unanimously to keep slavery? That the republicans voted to do away with it? Ahhhhh, parties...

That's a very weak premise. You do realize that was well over 200 years ago, yes? Parties change. In terms of political beliefs, it's often said that today's Republicans are yesterday's Democrats. The only semblance of the Democratic party of yesteryear and the Democratic party of today is the name itself.