Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S.

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So your ok with banning syrian refugees

I don't care either way

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I don't care either way

My general attitude about most things. Being in the middle of the road on most issues, can lead to that attitude.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

A dear friend of mine, who is a 20+ year member of the military, just posted the below. THIS is the issue with letting refugees in without doing proper vetting. If a military member, on Saudi soil, in a US compound takes SEVEN MONTHS to get a visa, why should it take any less for a person of unknown background, integrity, and intention just waltz in to America?

"Message to my circle of family and friends regarding county visas. It took several MONTHS in order for me to receive a Visa to be in Saudi Arabia to participate in a US/Saudi Arabia Security Cooporation program to modernize THEIR military. I can assure you they could FULLY determine with GREAT certainty that I pose no threat to the people and the country of Saudi Arabia. In fact it is the exact opposite. So why oh why aren't you writing your Congressperson, Senators and the President himself to insist that we have STRICT processes to approve visas for OUR country. Not in an effort to close our doors to USA...but to be sure we preserve the USA, OUR values and OUR Constitutional Freedoms. Last month, mere weeks before the attack in Paris, FBI director James Comey said at a House Committee on Homeland Security hearing that the federal government does not have the ability to conduct thorough background checks on all of the 10,000 Syrian refugees that the Obama administration says will be allowed to come to the U.S. If that concerns you why aren't you standing up for yourself, your children, your neighbor by telling your elected officials what to do?....it is your responsibility to do so...let your voice be heard."

[smilesammich 10,727]

oh, the viral fb post proving the us is harder on it's own military than it is on syrian refugees...(even though it takes years for refugees to get cleared)

meanwhile, in canada:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and a battery of politicians from across the political spectrum were on hand at the Toronto airport to greet the refugees.

“You are home,” Mr. Trudeau said to the first passengers to disembark after a 16-hour flight from Beirut on a Canadian military aircraft. “You’re safe at home now.” The premier of Ontario, Kathleen Wynne, gave them winter coats.

Under a plan announced by Mr. Trudeau’s new government, a series of flights will bring 10,000 Syrian refugees into Canada by the end of this month and a total of at least 25,000 before March.

The widespread embrace of the plan by the Canadian public stands in stark contrast with the controversy raging over the issue in the United States, where many politicians, especially on the right, have called for bans or restrictions on the admission of Syrian refugees.

While opposition parties, including the recently defeated Conservatives, have quibbled over timing and details, there has been no significant opposition to the overall aim of accepting the Syrians. And Mr. Trudeau was joined by his opposition critics in the welcoming party.

The plan also appears to enjoy widespread public support. All of the refugees on the first flight have been sponsored to come to Canada, either by individual Canadians or by small groups. Sponsors have had to raise just over 28,000 Canadian dollars for each family.

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Friday greeted Syrian refugees arriving in Toronto.CreditNathan Denette/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press

“Tonight they step off the plane as refugees, but they walk out of this terminal as permanent residents of Canada,” Mr. Trudeau said.

Many of the passengers, particularly those with small children, appeared understandably weary after the flight, which was delayed for more than two hours by processing issues in Lebanon. But they thanked Mr. Trudeau and his welcoming committee.

“We suffered a lot,” said Kevork Jamkossian, who arrived with his wife, Georgina Zires, and their 16-month-old daughter, Madeleine. “Now, we feel as if we got out of hell and we came to paradise.”

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

oh, the viral fb post proving the us is harder on it's own military than it is on syrian refugees...(even though it takes years for refugees to get cleared)

What viral FB post?

[smilesammich 10,727]

What viral FB post?

fb or wherever it was posted. you did say your bff just posted the story? anyway doesn't matter - same premise. anecdotes to prove misdirected anger is somehow justified..

[Ban Hammer 13,644]

meanwhile, in canada:

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

fb or wherever it was posted. you did say your bff just posted the story? anyway doesn't matter - same premise. anecdotes to prove misdirected anger is somehow justified..

I don't know why you feel the need to reply to my post with sarcasm. Have I done something to you? Or do you just not like what I post because it doesn't fit your line of thinking?

Yes, it was a FB post. No, it wasn't viral. It is what one person had to go thru to get a visa to legally work in Saudi. And if it takes MONTHS to validate a 20+ year successful officer of the military, then it should take even longer to validate complete strangers who want to come to the US. Do you think the current administration intends to take years to vet the Syrian refugees before allowing them into the US? Or do you suppose there will be shortcuts?

[smilesammich 10,727]

I don't know why you feel the need to reply to my post with sarcasm. Have I done something to you? Or do you just not like what I post because it doesn't fit your line of thinking?

Yes, it was a FB post. No, it wasn't viral. It is what one person had to go thru to get a visa to legally work in Saudi. And if it takes MONTHS to validate a 20+ year successful officer of the military, then it should take even longer to validate complete strangers who want to come to the US. Do you think the current administration intends to take years to vet the Syrian refugees before allowing them into the US? Or do you suppose there will be shortcuts?

i wasn't being sarcastic. i wasn't being personal either.

i was disappointed that you posted an anecdotal fb post to support a lie, the lie being that syrian refugees are let in without being properly checked out. i will admit, i am pretty friggin embarrassed that there are a considerable percentage of americans who feel justified in turning away refugees when the facts show - quite plainly - refugees don't carry out terror attacks. all the paranoia is strictly for political gain. not to mention, it is playing directly into isis wants from you and what they want for muslims who don't submit to them.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

i wasn't being sarcastic. i wasn't being personal either.

i was disappointed that you posted an anecdotal fb post to support a lie, the lie being that syrian refugees are let in without being properly checked out. i will admit, i am pretty friggin embarrassed that there are a considerable percentage of americans who feel justified in turning away refugees when the facts show - quite plainly - refugees don't carry out terror attacks. all the paranoia is strictly for political gain. not to mention, it is playing directly into isis wants from you and what they want for muslims who don't submit to them.

Cept for those two who bombed the Boston Marathon

[smilesammich 10,727]

Cept for those two who bombed the Boston Marathon

please, for your old pal, read this and note the distinction:

The pair of brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon in 2013 were not, however, refugees. They were, on the contrary, children of an asylee, according to the State Department, and the distinction is crucial.

Asylees and refugees share one thing in common: a fear of persecution in the their country of origin. But they differ in important ways. Most importantly, an asylee is self-selected--he arrives in the country from which he's seeking status and applies for asylum. Under international law, people with a well-founded fear of persecution cannot be returned to their country of origin.

By contrast, refugees undergo a much different process. First, they must receive designation as a refugee by U.N. officials, most often in refugee camps. The United States selects only the most vulnerable cases for resettlement, such as those with almost no hope of ever returning to their home country or those who have been tortured.

This selection process and the subsequent vetting undertaken to verify the applicant's biography takes a long time -- up to 3 years -- and is normally exhaustingly thorough. Refugee officers at the Department of Homeland Security travel throughout the region in order to verify claims of persecution and facts about the victims' biography.

If the person claims to have been in a certain place at a certain time, DHS checks. If they claim their house was bombed, DHS confirms that bombs were dropped there (it often uses satellite and drone surveillance for this). The Paris bomber with his fake Syrian passport would have had a very hard time navigating that process.

For terrorists, the U.S. refugee process is the worst possible avenue in which to travel to the United States. The background checks involved are the most rigorous and the most extensive of those undertaken on foreign nationals coming here. This is likely why every 9/11 hijacker and all other foreign persons who've committed acts of terrorism were non-refugees -- they were mainly student or tourist visa holders.

Asylum, on the other hand, is much a more attractive route in for a would-be terrorist if they're already in the desired country. If you want to forestall removal, you can apply for asylum, even knowing you are unlikely to receive it. This is what one Paris attacker did. He applied for asylum and then traveled to France for the attack. He was not a refugee in any sense. Neither the U.N. nor any country in Europe or elsewhere recognized him as a refugee, and it is wrong to claim that he was.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bier/the-boston-bombers-were-n_b_8584016.html

[Darnell 8,479]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/07/politics/donald-trump-muslim-ban-immigration/index.html

(CNN)Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday to block all Muslims from entering the United States.

Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release. His message comes in the wake of a deadly mass shooting in San Bernardino, California, by suspected ISIS sympathizers and the day after President Barack Obama asked the country not to "turn against one another" out of fear.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine," Trump said in a statement. "Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life."

words matter, aye?

First Trump gets stuck with 'Mexicans' when he should have said 'illegal aliens and tourist visa overstayers from Mexico' but thats too many words to use all the time - he simply shortened it to 'Mexicans' and it caused a turmoil.

time passes, now he says 'All Muslims'. Perhaps he meant Muslims holding immigrant visas that had some 'travel' out of their home country prior to coming into the USA? That's what that G-325-A is for, really !!!! It's on the State Department to vette these fellas. But that's just an example. I'd be happy with all student visa holders being refused entry into the international area of their home airport because of a temporary moratorium (again, as an example). But radicalization can happen anytime, anywhere, right? Even folk who are USCitizens, born here into a non-Muslim family, converted, and have never left the USA are possible candidates for radicalization.

But I get the gist of what he's saying, even though he used the wrong words, each time.

Edited December 16, 2015 by Darnell