Trump: Ban all Muslim travel to U.S.

[Advanced Aardvark 82]

Church of the Holy Baloney acceptable?

The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster might be a candidate.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Odd how many here have no problem labeling all gun owners, even though less than 2% of legal gun owners commit gun crime.

Lose their mind if we dare suggest a moratorium on immigration from an identifiable segment of the population, that 25% of think violence against America is justifiable to obtain their religious goals.

Trump said, put a halt to it until we can figure out how to vette these people correctly.

On 9-11 when we were under attack, we grounded all plans, until we could figure out how to counter the threat.

The Philippines has been declared a high fraud state, and travel visas are restricted. How dare they single out Filippino. That's racist

What if 25% of travelers from England had ebola.

What Trump does better than anyone, though, is to make the most blustering of statements sound substantial to someone who might not know better, referring to evidence that seems rational and empirical even if it is not actually so. (Here we should set aside whatever qualms we might have about the idea that these values are even meaningful in as chaotic a context as a presidential election.)

In his statement, Trump says:

According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population.

Now, despite his obsession with polls and crowd attendance, Trump does not actually say what he means. And actually, as the Washington Postpoints out, this may be because such Pew Research does not exist.

In 2011, 81 percent of Muslim Americans said that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians are never justified. In November, Pew Research found that people in 11 countries with significant Muslim populations overwhelmingly expressed negative views of ISIS.

Nevertheless, Trump continues:

Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing “25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad” and 51% of those polled “agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah.”

The poll Trump is citing here was released just this summer, The Intercept reports, at which point the Bridge Initiative at Georgetown University did a little digging and found that the poll had been conducted as a “non-probability based, opt-in online survey.” That is to say: it is unscientific and has no statistical validity.

The organization that commissioned the poll, the Center for Security Policy, has wound in and out of favor in the Republican establishment. In 2011, its founder, Frank Gaffney Jr., was banished from the Conservative Political Action Committee after claiming that two CPAC board members—including Grover Norquist!—were secretly working for the Muslim Brotherhood. Gaffney, who the Southern Poverty Law Center classifies as an anti-Muslim extremist, is obsessed with what he calls “civilizational jihad” or “creeping Sharia.”

“We’re witnessing not just the violent kind of jihad that these Islamists believe God compels them to engage in, but also, where they must for tactical reasons, a more stealthy kind, or civilizational jihad as the Muslim Brotherhood calls it,” Gaffney told Newsmax in 2011. “We’re witnessing that playing out, not only in places in the Middle East but also in Europe, in Australia, in Canada and here in the United States as well.”

Later that year, he proposed on the Center for Security Policy’s website the need for a new and improved House Un-American Activities Committee, but for jihadi sympathizers. “Such a panel needs a mandate to investigate in particular the extent to which the Obama administration’s anti-American activities reflect the success of the toxic Muslim Brotherhood (MB or Ikhwan) in penetrating and subverting both U.S. government agencies and civil institutions.”

After a few years in exile, Gaffney—who believes that Clinton aide Huma Abedin may be a Muslim Brotherhood operative—and the Center for Security Policy returned to the fold, under Ted Cruz’s aegis. Last year, the Center was not only back at CPAC but was listed as a contributing sponsor.

In September, the Center for Security Policy put out an ebook called “Cut Down the Black Flag: A Plan to Defeat the Islamic State,” which, according to a National Security Network policy brief on Islamaphobic and anti-refugee politics, cites Wikipedia extensively.

“The civilization jihadists do a better job of blending in and are subverting our culture from within,” the CSP report reads. “They are part of the same enemy [as the Islamic State and other terrorist groups] and even more insidious as they do not proclaim their goals openly.”

At a campaign event in South Carolina on Tuesday, Trump sang the praises of the “very highly respected” Center for Security Policy as he read through his policy proposal to bar Muslims from entering the United States. “I know them, actually,” he said, smiling and showing his teeth.

http://gawker.com/the-man-behind-donald-trumps-latest-policy-platform-is-1746804097

[DavenMaura 62]

The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster might be a candidate.

For Trump's crazy hair?

[Advanced Aardvark 82]

For Trump's crazy hair?

Ah, I see that you are well versed in Pastafarian head gear! A large and heavy pasta strainer might indeed constrain the folicular eruptions of the Trumpster.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Carter banned Iranians from traveling to the US during the hostage crisis.

I guess he was a racist xenophobe also.

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Carter banned Iranians from traveling to the US during the hostage crisis.

I guess he was a racist xenophobe also.

Does this count as your Bush did it as well?

We aren't at war with Islam.

[GandD 5,966]

That's a bit different ftr

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Does this count as your Bush did it as well?

We aren't at war with Islam.

+1 for Marv. It's almost the same thing except when I do it, it's not the same

That's a bit different ftr

Not

So wanting to ban Syrians makes someone bad, banning Iranians does not.

Did not many here you included, say we should not ban Syrians

[GandD 5,966]

+1 for Marv. It's almost the same thing except when I do it, it's not the same

Not

So wanting to ban Syrians makes someone bad, banning Iranians does not.

Did not many here you included, say we should not ban Syrians

He said all Muslims. That's a different thing.

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Carter banned Iranians from traveling to the US during the hostage crisis.

I guess he was a racist xenophobe also.

Iranian is not a race. Iranian is not a religion.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Iranian is not a race. Iranian is not a religion.

So banning Syrians would be cool

[OriZ 3,157]

New York, NY, December 7, 2015 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) condemned Donald Trump’s calls to bar entry into the United States for all Muslims, calling the plan “deeply offensive.” Earlier today, Mr. Trump said in a statement he was calling for a “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.”

Jonathan A. Greenblatt, ADL CEO, issued the following statement:

Mr. Trump’s plan to bar people from entry to the United States based on their religion is unacceptable and antithetical to American values. The U.S. was founded as a place of refuge for those fleeing religious persecution, and religious pluralism is core to our national identity. A plan that singles out Muslims and denies them entry to the U.S. based on their religion is deeply offensive and runs contrary to our nation’s deepest values.

In the Jewish community, we know all too well what can happen when a particular religious group is singled out for stereotyping and scapegoating. We also know that this country must not give into fear by turning its back on its fundamental values, even at a time of great crisis. As we have said so many times, to do otherwise signals to the terrorists that they are winning the battle against democracy and freedom.

http://www.adl.org/press-center/press-releases/discrimination-racism-bigotry/adl-trump-plan-seal-borders-against-muslims-runs-contrary-nations-values.html?referrer=https://www.google.com/#.VmeYKflViko

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Odd how all the reports leave out...Until we can get the Visa issues figured

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So banning Syrians would be cool

It wouldn't be unconstitutional.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

It wouldn't be unconstitutional.

So your ok with banning syrian refugees