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I never said it WAS illegal in the USA. But it IS illegal in Europe and in other countries of the world. WHY? Because it is BARBARIC.

It's cruel and unnatural, sure, but is it any more barbaric than, say, circumcision?

Yes it is. Declawing is the equivalent of removing the fingers from your hands.

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alex is getting a cat, i'm waiting for rey to join the nra and get a gun. :lol:

Rey + cat + gun?

In the same room? :P

it's due to alex saying she didn't like cats earlier, i just thought that while hades was freezing over he'd get a gun too :D

What exactly is a cat tree?

Ask LisaD :P

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My cat doesn't go outside - ever. IMO cats that are pets do not belong outside simply because it's just an invite for them to get sick, fleas, or worse yet, killed.

i think they are better kept inside. i hate seeing flat cats on the road here.

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I never said it WAS illegal in the USA. But it IS illegal in Europe and in other countries of the world. WHY? Because it is BARBARIC.

It's cruel and unnatural, sure, but is it any more barbaric than, say, circumcision?

Yes it is.

I don't know much about it mags, so please forgive my ignorance. I presume it's done

under general anesthesia so the cat doesn't feel any pain. Then why do you feel it's so much

worse than any other type of surgery (e.g. spaying or neutering)? Both are done

"against the cat's will", so to speak. Is it because removing the claws affects the cat's ability

to function normally? Or is it because it's selfish? If the latter so is spaying/neutering.

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it's due to alex saying she didn't like cats earlier, i just thought that while hades was freezing over he'd get a gun too :D

Tell me about it :P

I'm so happy she changed her mind! :D:dance:

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You leave a cat 10 hours a day M-F?? Have you considered why the heck it claws your house down? I'd claw it too and ###### everywhere for good measure. There is a CLEAR reason why your cat scratches, but rather than address that reason you just take the easy thoughtless route. Cats natural behaviour is to be outside hunting and playing. Not to be locked in a show room.

my cat has been in that boat due to my work. sometimes for longer than that. not much choice at times. i don't think his cat was clawing the furniture due to it being bored, but due to a need to sharpen its claws. note he said nothing about the cat having anything to play with or not, so let's not presume the cat was bored.

I don't know much about it mags, so please forgive my ignorance. I presume it's done

under general anesthesia so the cat doesn't feel any pain. Then why do you feel it's so much

worse than any other type of surgery (e.g. spaying or neutering)? Both are done

"against the cat's will", so to speak. Is it because removing the claws affects the cat's ability

to function normally? Or is it because it's selfish? If the latter so is spaying/neutering.

whether under general anesthesia or not, it still wakes up and walks with toes amputated. not like a cat won't feel some pain after that!

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You leave a cat 10 hours a day M-F?? Have you considered why the heck it claws your house down? I'd claw it too and ###### everywhere for good measure. There is a CLEAR reason why your cat scratches, but rather than address that reason you just take the easy thoughtless route. Cats natural behaviour is to be outside hunting and playing. Not to be locked in a show room.

my cat has been in that boat due to my work. sometimes for longer than that. not much choice at times. i don't think his cat was clawing the furniture due to it being bored, but due to a need to sharpen its claws. note he said nothing about the cat having anything to play with or not, so let's not presume the cat was bored.

There is always a time when cats are left alone for long periods, but this is every day and the minumum being 10 hours a day. Why have a pet in the first place if you are hardly ever there? Cats do get bored and need stimulation -- especially if they are not allowed outside. Scratching is not only for sharpening or marking -- it is also a sign of extreme frustration. If it was just for sharpening, a scratching tree would have solved that problem -- not mutilation.

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I never said it WAS illegal in the USA. But it IS illegal in Europe and in other countries of the world. WHY? Because it is BARBARIC.

It's cruel and unnatural, sure, but is it any more barbaric than, say, circumcision?

Yes it is.

I don't know much about it mags, so please forgive my ignorance. I presume it's done

under general anesthesia so the cat doesn't feel any pain. Then why do you feel it's so much

worse than any other type of surgery (e.g. spaying or neutering)? Both are done

"against the cat's will", so to speak. Is it because removing the claws affects the cat's ability

to function normally? Or is it because it's selfish? If the latter so is spaying/neutering.

Okay, let me fill ya in! :lol: It is basically major foot surgery. The cat's claw is removed at the first knuckle, so bone is cut away. Now, if you have ever broken a bone you'll know how painful it is. Now imagine having to walk, jump and run on that foot 24 hours a day. We are given crutches, cats are not.

It IS actually VERY painful for the cat to recover. Vets who are pro declawing tell the owners that it is minor surgery...but it really isn't.

Declawing is not beneficial to the cat or the cat race...it's purely the owner being selfish. And yes, cats can function without claws...but it isn't nice and it isn't fair. Ever seen a cat wash it's feet and claws? Look at how bloody proud they are of them... :)

Spaying/neutering is essential for other reasons. The cat population is getting so high now that cats are being destroyed at birth and at other ages. We are over run. Spaying and neutering is essential to stop these poor animals being put down. By a simple operation we can stop pain and suffering and help ALL cats find a loving home.

Prevention is better than a cure so they say.

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To have a good effect on the teeth, the dry food has to have the pieces of a substantial size, so they can crunch them. Some cats "gulp" down dry food rather than chewing it...that may have been the problem with your cat, Lou.

Mimi threw up the other day and I saw a lot of the dry food in her vom still in it's original shape. I also just bought her moist treats, and she wouldn't touch it, (it was small, in the shape of a heart) and then when I broke it apart, she ate it.

What do I do??? Help, cat people!!

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whether under general anesthesia or not, it still wakes up and walks with toes amputated. not like a cat won't feel some pain after that!

I'm sure the same can be said about spaying/neutering. I'm not advocating declawing,

I'm just curious why mags thinks that spaying/neutering is ok, while declawing is not.

I don't really buy the argument that spaying/neutering is done "for the benefit of all catkind".

P.S. Never mind - I just got your explanation

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To have a good effect on the teeth, the dry food has to have the pieces of a substantial size, so they can crunch them. Some cats "gulp" down dry food rather than chewing it...that may have been the problem with your cat, Lou.

Mimi threw up the other day and I saw a lot of the dry food in her vom still in it's original shape. I also just bought her moist treats, and she wouldn't touch it, (it was small, in the shape of a heart) and then when I broke it apart, she ate it.

What do I do??? Help, cat people!!

i'd say mimi is training you quite well :)

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whether under general anesthesia or not, it still wakes up and walks with toes amputated. not like a cat won't feel some pain after that!

I'm sure the same can be said about spaying/neutering. I'm not advocating declawing,

I'm just curious why mags thinks that spaying/neutering is ok, while declawing is not.

I have worked for the Cats Protection and have seen firsthand the benefits of neutering and spaying. See above. ;)

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I will just say that declawing is just like humans having their fingers severed below the nail. It handicaps a cat to have this done, and yes your furniture will be great but the cat is essentially deformed. I work with cats and vets have assured me that this procedure is brutal for the animal to say the least.

I have two cats who have all their claws and dont ever touch the furniture. They have a magnetic cat door which allows them to go and play and poop outside, and their claws are kept down by running around outside. People assume that cats are untrainable but I spent hours with my oldest cat Alfie as a kitten, and now he speaks on command, begs when you ask him to, and knows the commands "into bed" (and he gets into his bed), and "lay down". Sitting was a tough one for him but he eventually got "lay down".

My female cat is a queen, and my husband and myself simply exist in her world. We are there to serve her wherever and whenever, but in return she often brings us such wonderful gifts as mice, large insects, frogs, and on Sunday she presented a live chipmunk. She also bites you should you dare move when she has graced you with sitting on your lap.

My cats have totally different personalities but I love them to bits. Thinking of getting another one but might try a dog instead.

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To have a good effect on the teeth, the dry food has to have the pieces of a substantial size, so they can crunch them. Some cats "gulp" down dry food rather than chewing it...that may have been the problem with your cat, Lou.

Mimi threw up the other day and I saw a lot of the dry food in her vom still in it's original shape. I also just bought her moist treats, and she wouldn't touch it, (it was small, in the shape of a heart) and then when I broke it apart, she ate it.

What do I do??? Help, cat people!!

i'd say mimi is training you quite well :)

That goes without saying, heh.

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I don't know much about it mags, so please forgive my ignorance. I presume it's done

under general anesthesia so the cat doesn't feel any pain. Then why do you feel it's so much

worse than any other type of surgery (e.g. spaying or neutering)? Both are done

"against the cat's will", so to speak. Is it because removing the claws affects the cat's ability

to function normally? Or is it because it's selfish? If the latter so is spaying/neutering.

This site has a pretty good explanation of what the procedure is:

http://www.declawing.com/htmls/declawing.htm

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Jan. 2004: K1 visa issued ~ April 2004: Got on a plane ~ Nov. 2004: GC in my mucky hands ~ Dec. 2006: Received 10 YR GC

September 2008 - US passport delivered!

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