Refugee or Terrorist?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Of course they will screen people. However, it is not uncommon for folks to get thru the vetting process, typically quite easily.

How soon people forget:

White house confirms refugees subject to security screening.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/politics/white-house-holds-call-with-34-governors-on-syrian-refugees-hickenlooper-included

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Those 2 guys that blew up the Boston Marathon. Political refugees.

[smilesammich 10,727]

Those 2 guys that blew up the Boston Marathon. Political refugees.

nope. not the same.

In the wake of the Paris attacks, many are trying to connect refugees to terrorism. I've noted elsewhere that despite millions of refugees having been admitted since the U.S. refugee resettlement program began in its current form in 1980 -- including hundreds of thousands from the Middle East -- not a single refugee has committed an act of terrorism in the United States.

Detractors of refugee resettlement, however, point to Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- the Boston Bombers -- as evidence to the contrary. The pair of brothers who bombed the Boston Marathon in 2013 were not, however, refugees. They were, on the contrary, children of an asylee, according to the State Department, and the distinction is crucial.

Asylees and refugees share one thing in common: a fear of persecution in the their country of origin. But they differ in important ways. Most importantly, an asylee is self-selected--he arrives in the country from which he's seeking status and applies for asylum. Under international law, people with a well-founded fear of persecution cannot be returned to their country of origin.

By contrast, refugees undergo a much different process. First, they must receive designation as a refugee by U.N. officials, most often in refugee camps. The United States selects only the most vulnerable cases for resettlement, such as those with almost no hope of ever returning to their home country or those who have been tortured.

This selection process and the subsequent vetting undertaken to verify the applicant's biography takes a long time -- up to 3 years -- and is normally exhaustingly thorough. Refugee officers at the Department of Homeland Security travel throughout the region in order to verify claims of persecution and facts about the victims' biography.

If the person claims to have been in a certain place at a certain time, DHS checks. If they claim their house was bombed, DHS confirms that bombs were dropped there (it often uses satellite and drone surveillance for this). The Paris bomber with his fake Syrian passport would have had a very hard time navigating that process.

For terrorists, the U.S. refugee process is the worst possible avenue in which to travel to the United States. The background checks involved are the most rigorous and the most extensive of those undertaken on foreign nationals coming here. This is likely why every 9/11 hijacker and all other foreign persons who've committed acts of terrorism were non-refugees -- they were mainly student or tourist visa holders.

Asylum, on the other hand, is much a more attractive route in for a would-be terrorist if they're already in the desired country. If you want to forestall removal, you can apply for asylum, even knowing you are unlikely to receive it. This is what one Paris attacker did. He applied for asylum and then traveled to France for the attack. He was not a refugee in any sense. Neither the U.N. nor any country in Europe or elsewhere recognized him as a refugee, and it is wrong to claim that he was.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bier/the-boston-bombers-were-n_b_8584016.html

Of course they will screen people. However, it is not uncommon for folks to get thru the vetting process, typically quite easily.

How soon people forget:

"however, it is not uncommon"....follows up with one example.

[Expat1 971]

OK himher. Glad you found what you were looking for.

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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

"however, it is not uncommon"....follows up with one example.

Sorry, I don't have time to do your homework for you. If you want more examples, google is your friend. I can think of 3 other military examples off the top of my head, so it should be easy for you to gather more data.

[ILoveMonica1 43]

[Robby999 1,024]

From the demographics it appears we are training the wrong gender for combat, perhaps we should train the children and women since most of the men are saving themselves and running. That is kinda backwards from the way most westerners operate ie; women and children first in lifeboats, life-preservers etc...

[Expat1 971]

From the demographics it appears we are training the wrong gender for combat, perhaps we should train the children and women since most of the men are saving themselves and running. That is kinda backwards from the way most westerners operate ie; women and children first in lifeboats, life-preservers etc...

It's a man's world over here. Wife has to have permission from the husband to travel.......

[ILoveMonica1 43]

From the demographics it appears we are training the wrong gender for combat, perhaps we should train the children and women since most of the men are saving themselves and running. That is kinda backwards from the way most westerners operate ie; women and children first in lifeboats, life-preservers etc...

Being a man I'm all for changing this women and children first thing. Whoever came up with that is sexist.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

You're a jerk. My girlfriend said you need to be slapped in the face.

Being a man I'm all for changing this women and children first thing. Whoever came up with that is sexist.

What if... I mean, maybe, just maybe, the genders are the way they intended? More males in the western world, where they can spread out, and come together at a later date, to do... stuff.

I guess only time will tell.

From the demographics it appears we are training the wrong gender for combat, perhaps we should train the children and women since most of the men are saving themselves and running. That is kinda backwards from the way most westerners operate ie; women and children first in lifeboats, life-preservers etc...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

You're a jerk. My girlfriend said you need to be slapped in the face.

What if... I mean, maybe, just maybe, the genders are the way they intended? More males in the western world, where they can spread out, and come together at a later date, to do... stuff.

I guess only time will tell.

Wow easy on the personal attacks. Is that you AJ?

[ILoveMonica1 43]

You're a jerk. My girlfriend said you need to be slapped in the face.

My girlfriend says the same thing. Thankfully my wife doesn't think I'm a jerk. I'm batting .500.

[Expat1 971]

Wow easy on the personal attacks. Is that you AJ?

Not possible that AJ has a girlfriend. Next.

My girlfriend says the same thing. Thankfully my wife doesn't think I'm a jerk. I'm batting .500.

%#$% the girlfriend. Happy wife, happy life

[ILoveMonica1 43]

Wow easy on the personal attacks. Is that you AJ?

No worries. I reported him. 10 times. He'll be living with Kip in VJ jail here shortly where he belongs.

[Expat1 971]

You're a jerk. My girlfriend said you need to be slapped in the face.

You need to read that girl some Quran. She'll straighten up.