CNN admits gun control in Europe does not work

[lostinblue 1,989]

It was also Friday 13th, world kindness day, and the feast of St. Homobonus, among other things.

I'm not sure if any of that matter's to terrorists. Obviously the timing was about looking for mass casualties. I doubt all the events going on in Paris that day had anything to do with what lunar month it was.

Dates and time has an awful lot of meaning with these people trying to bring about their version of Islam

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33291429

Is Islamic State caliphate here to stay?

The last widely recognised caliphate - that of the Ottomans - was abolished 90 years ago. IS has tried to capitalise on the symbolism, romanticism and nostalgia attached to the notion of the caliphate for many Muslims across the world.

The caliphate, especially of early Islam (632-1258), enjoys an almost mythical status in Islamic literature and school curriculum in many Muslim countries.

The same goes for its related military conquests that allowed Muslim rule and religion to extend far beyond Arabia to include the Middle East, North Africa, large parts of Asia, and Spain. School literature is often filtered to leave out any negative aspects of caliphate rule, hence producing a glossy image of that institution.

The era was marked by scientific and cultural prosperity, with Muslims making important contributions to mankind.

Many young Muslims grow up reading, studying and hearing tales about the "golden age" of caliphate rule with a sense that it was the only era of Muslim history to be proud of and aspire to return to.

In his first ever public appearance shortly after the caliphate declaration, IS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi urged Muslims across the world to migrate to IS territory.

He told them to "hold your heads up high for today you have a caliphate that will restore your dignity, power, rights and leadership". Soon, he promised, "Muslims will walk everywhere like masters".

Historical dates of conquests goes hand in hand with this "symbolism "

Edited November 18, 2015 by lostinblue

[Dakine10 5,452]

Dates and time has an awful lot of meaning with these people trying to bring about their version of Islam

There have been a lot of terrorist attacks to go on now. For the most part, they don't correlate with any specific date.

That would actually make an easy pattern for intelligence to figure out.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

There is something that seems to be escaping you. Gun-free zones, or cities that have strict gun laws, as you worded it, have more in common than having poor people in them. They also have limited the options for law-abiding folks to own guns to protect themselves. Can't you see that? The only people with guns are the cops and the criminals. And since most criminals (the very definition of the word indicates a proclivity for not following the rules) opt to do whatever it takes to empower them over others, they use guns to terrorize the innocent.

The fact that there are poor people in a neighborhood or city is not what causes the homicide rate to climb. It is the disproportionate number of criminals who are willing to use guns against an indefensible group who are not allowed to use guns.

Then put them up Ortiz. You do a whole lot of talking, with very little substance to back it up. Show me a city that is poor, but has no gun crime and strict gun laws. Then you can argue that gun control is killing people.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

There is something that seems to be escaping you. Gun-free zones, or cities that have strict gun laws, as you worded it, have more in common than having poor people in them. They also have limited the options for law-abiding folks to own guns to protect themselves. Can't you see that? The only people with guns are the cops and the criminals. And since most criminals (the very definition of the word indicates a proclivity for not following the rules) opt to do whatever it takes to empower them over others, they use guns to terrorize the innocent.

The fact that there are poor people in a neighborhood or city is not what causes the homicide rate to climb. It is the disproportionate number of criminals who are willing to use guns against an indefensible group who are not allowed to use guns.

Of course I see it. And I know what's behind it, that was my whole point. If folks would do the research, they would see that gun control in that vein was used to limit gun owners of a specific kind.

Poor people don't translate into crime per say, but in those neighborhoods have a large group of minorities in them. And history has shown me personally that when there's that large of a group, white people tend to take off and take whatever services that were provided before with them. That's when the vultures move in and crime becomes rampant.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

So by your own words and personal experience, crime is rampant when there are more blacks in a particular area. Yet you get upset when people (particularly cops) assume a black person is a criminal.

If a "large group" of blacks means that there is more crime in an area, and therefore more criminals, then it stands to reason that one would view the predominant group of people warily. Unfortunately for all the honest, hard-working blacks in those areas, they will be viewed with the same doubt, skepticism, or wariness as the actual criminals. (In fact, the color of skin matters not; if the majority were white, or brown, in an area that was crime-ridden, everyone of a particular skin color would be suspect most of the time).

The only "kind" of people being limited by gun control are the honest, working class.

Of course I see it. And I know what's behind it, that was my whole point. If folks would do the research, they would see that gun control in that vein was used to limit gun owners of a specific kind.

Poor people don't translate into crime per say, but in those neighborhoods have a large group of minorities in them. And history has shown me personally that when there's that large of a group, white people tend to take off and take whatever services that were provided before with them. That's when the vultures move in and crime becomes rampant.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

So by your own words and personal experience, crime is rampant when there are more blacks in a particular area. Yet you get upset when people (particularly cops) assume a black person is a criminal.

If a "large group" of blacks means that there is more crime in an area, and therefore more criminals, then it stands to reason that one would view the predominant group of people warily. Unfortunately for all the honest, hard-working blacks in those areas, they will be viewed with the same doubt, skepticism, or wariness as the actual criminals. (In fact, the color of skin matters not; if the majority were white, or brown, in an area that was crime-ridden, everyone of a particular skin color would be suspect most of the time).

The only "kind" of people being limited by gun control are the honest, working class.

You're missing the point.

Crime is rampant because the cops don't do their jobs when it comes to black neighborhoods. Many hard working black folks are trying to get away from that element. I know this because it's what happened to my neighborhood. If you know that in a black neighborhood, there's no security or policing, why wouldn't you go there and act up?

And the bolded statement isn't true. Only black and brown people are criminalized across the board. It's a known fact that on the FBI's crime stat list there are 30 crimes categories. Black people lead in 3, white people lead in 27. A criminal can wear a 3 piece suit and still rob you blind or mow you down with a gun. But no matter how many mass shootings occur, white people can STILL open carry with no worries about being shot by the police. They can argue about it or even look like their reaching and the cops won't shoot them.