Jury finds historically black university discriminated against white professor, awards her $4.85M

[Dakine10 5,452]

But this isn't implemented by black people, it's the Native hawaiians. Our country stole their country.

South Africa people stole that country

Zimbabwe, people stole that country.

See the trend? None the less, black people, black Americans, after all our ancestors and after all we are STILL going threw are not attempting to systematically discriminate against white people. We are only asking to all get along and for equality. We aren't trying to take anything away from anyone. We are just trying to catch up.

There are very few native Hawaiian's left. There are more white people in Hawaii than native Hawaiians.

I try to avoid thinking of racism in terms of black and white. There are billions of people in the world who are neither black nor white. Racism exists everywhere. Pick any culture or group of people and I think we can find examples of racism against other groups and by other cultures without looking too hard.

I guess we focus here mostly on racism in America. Most people can accept that systemic racism existed for many years in America. Many people overlook that the remnants of that system are still prevalent even if the system is not. It's hard to reconcile for some. It's easier to invent the myths of reverse racism and the oppressed white guy and imagine that everything is even now.

[Dakine10 5,452]

I see the natives here don't like too much anyone who isn't native Hawaiian. I've heard the stories about certain places white people can't go because the locals let it be known they not feeling them. I've also heard this extends to black people as well.

You're right about South Africa.

I think there's a tendency to mix the terms "local" and "native" in Hawaii. Most of the native Hawaiians I've met were the friendliest people. Locals - you have to be more careful.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I think there's a tendency to mix the terms "local" and "native" in Hawaii. Most of the native Hawaiians I've met were the friendliest people. Locals - you have to be more careful.

I didn't think there was a difference. I've just been told that if we move out of Waikiki, we have to be careful since there are some places that wouldn't be so welcoming.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I didn't think there was a difference. I've just been told that if we move out of Waikiki, we have to be careful since there are some places that wouldn't be so welcoming.

Hawaiians are very particular about their country. Oftentimes we end up trampling on land that bears more value than we can estimate.

Here is an interesting read; long but interesting essay by a great professor and a dear friend:

https://books.google.com/books?id=YJX0oxsu174C&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=letter+from+a+native+daughter+trask&source=bl&ots=nD99KrPoKJ&sig=_LLi88CeOWaxMpyJjcb7mRa8G7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMIl7uSkJn3yAIVDHs-Ch3-lwUC#v=onepage&q&f=false

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Hawaiians are very particular about their country. Oftentimes we end up trampling on land that bears more value than we can estimate.

Here is an interesting read; long but interesting essay by a great professor and a dear friend:

https://books.google.com/books?id=YJX0oxsu174C&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54&dq=letter+from+a+native+daughter+trask&source=bl&ots=nD99KrPoKJ&sig=_LLi88CeOWaxMpyJjcb7mRa8G7c&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMIl7uSkJn3yAIVDHs-Ch3-lwUC#v=onepage&q&f=false

Thumbing through it right now...

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I didn't think there was a difference. I've just been told that if we move out of Waikiki, we have to be careful since there are some places that wouldn't be so welcoming.

I would definitely stay away from Waipahu and Wahiawa. Mililani might be a better spot. Or perhaps something in or near Ewa Beach.

Waianae? Never...

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I try to avoid thinking of racism in terms of black and white. There are billions of people in the world who are neither black nor white. Racism exists everywhere. Pick any culture or group of people and I think we can find examples of racism against other groups and by other cultures without looking too hard.

I guess we focus here mostly on racism in America. Most people can accept that systemic racism existed for many years in America. Many people overlook that the remnants of that system are still prevalent even if the system is not. It's hard to reconcile for some. It's easier to invent the myths of reverse racism and the oppressed white guy and imagine that everything is even now.

Racism exists in every culture, in one form or another. Try being non-black in Africa, and see how you like life. Amy time a group of people is the minority, they are discriminated against in one way or another. To differing degrees, of course. In Mexico, if you are white, particularly if you cannot speak Spanish, you are an outsider. Mexicans are treated similarly in America.

Yes, racism is the norm in most places, if you use the definition:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

And even if you discount that last part, the belief that one (race/person) is superior, if you are different from the majority surrounding you, you WILL be treated differently. Often unfairly. It's just a fact of life.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

I would definitely stay away from Waipahu and Wahiawa. Mililani might be a better spot. Or perhaps something in or near Ewa Beach.

Waianae? Never...

Interesting. We went to Waianae a few weeks ago, and saw the houses out there are awesome, but the drive is just too long for an everyday commute. For what I pay living in Waikiki, I get twice the amount of space. But our friend who lives out there says there are some dodgy areas out there.

Racism exists in every culture, in one form or another. Try being non-black in Africa, and see how you like life. Amy time a group of people is the minority, they are discriminated against in one way or another. To differing degrees, of course. In Mexico, if you are white, particularly if you cannot speak Spanish, you are an outsider. Mexicans are treated similarly in America.

Yes, racism is the norm in most places, if you use the definition:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

And even if you discount that last part, the belief that one (race/person) is superior, if you are different from the majority surrounding you, you WILL be treated differently. Often unfairly. It's just a fact of life.

From what I've read, being white is still all the rage, even in Africa. Women are going to dangerous lengths to whiten their skin. There are white slums to be fair. But, it's still considered better to be white than a dark skinned African.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Interesting. We went to Waianae a few weeks ago, and saw the houses out there are awesome, but the drive is just too long for an everyday commute. For what I pay living in Waikiki, I get twice the amount of space. But our friend who lives out there says there are some dodgy areas out there.

From what I've read, being white is still all the rage, even in Africa. Women are going to dangerous lengths to whiten their skin. There are white slums to be fair. But, it's still considered better to be white than a dark skinned African.

Waianae is beautiful. And bear in mind, my info is at least 15 years old; but I seem to recall that the only white military member to be killed in many years died in a cabin on Waianae. He was a friend of mine, so perhaps that is why the story remains in my memory. Here's one link, but there are many out there: http://archives.starbulletin.com/98/06/04/news/story1.html

Funny you say that about being white in Africa. The ONLY truly African American family I know came to America about 9 years ago on a DV (lottery type). Talking to him, he feared for his own and his family's life on a daily basis. Discriminated against constantly, and said that whites are to blame for everything in that country, even government. He said his life here in the US is 100 times better than it ever was over in Africa.

The white skin phenomenon you mention comes from the idea that light-skinned people are considered successful, wealthy, and non0workers. The darker the skin tone, the lower class people believe you are because you must toil in the sun all day.

[We Keep Receipts 9,238]

Waianae is beautiful. And bear in mind, my info is at least 15 years old; but I seem to recall that the only white military member to be killed in many years died in a cabin on Waianae. He was a friend of mine, so perhaps that is why the story remains in my memory. Here's one link, but there are many out there: http://archives.starbulletin.com/98/06/04/news/story1.html

Funny you say that about being white in Africa. The ONLY truly African American family I know came to America about 9 years ago on a DV (lottery type). Talking to him, he feared for his own and his family's life on a daily basis. Discriminated against constantly, and said that whites are to blame for everything in that country, even government. He said his life here in the US is 100 times better than it ever was over in Africa.

The white skin phenomenon you mention comes from the idea that light-skinned people are considered successful, wealthy, and non0workers. The darker the skin tone, the lower class people believe you are because you must toil in the sun all day.

From what I've seen, it's still nice looking, but like I said the drive isn't worth it.

I'm not surprised about the reactions white people face over there. Apartheid tends to do that. Considering that until 1994, the minority of white people living there were in charge and segregated the country. Even now, white people still own the majority of the land and make up most of the affluent class.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Racism exists in every culture, in one form or another. Try being non-black in Africa, and see how you like life. Amy time a group of people is the minority, they are discriminated against in one way or another. To differing degrees, of course. In Mexico, if you are white, particularly if you cannot speak Spanish, you are an outsider. Mexicans are treated similarly in America.

Yes, racism is the norm in most places, if you use the definition:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

And even if you discount that last part, the belief that one (race/person) is superior, if you are different from the majority surrounding you, you WILL be treated differently. Often unfairly. It's just a fact of life.

I don't believe most people think their "race" is superior. There is a difference between being treated differently based on your culture or as an outsider and being subjected to racism.

Going back to American history, we have examples of slavery, genocide, segregation, internment that were based on racial discrimination. That is systemic racism. Not to beat a dead horse, but white people were not on the receiving end of any of that.

I think everyone would agree that racism exists everywhere. An article like this illustrates that anyone can be subjected to racism. The extent to which that can happen is not the same for everyone, and it's disingenuous to imply otherwise.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I don't believe most people think their "race" is superior. There is a difference between being treated differently based on your culture or as an outsider and being subjected to racism.

Going back to American history, we have examples of slavery, genocide, segregation, internment that were based on racial discrimination. That is systemic racism. Not to beat a dead horse, but white people were not on the receiving end of any of that.

I think everyone would agree that racism exists everywhere. An article like this illustrates that anyone can be subjected to racism. The extent to which that can happen is not the same for everyone, and it's disingenuous to imply otherwise.

That was a very well thought out. Logical balanced argument, and expressed eloquently.

Your gonna upset the force.

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[JohnR! 5,495]

I would go one step further, and say that everyone is a racist, in the sense that we do recognize those who are different than ourselves, racially. I normally tell people I'm not colorblind. I see all shades of black people, I can tell the difference between some Asians depending on facial features and slant of their eyes, in the same manner I can recognize a Gallic nose, or a [true] Caucasian profile. I see all that and so does everyone, in my opinion. That in and of itself is not the problem. The problem are those who find reasons to fear all these features that makes us all so different and yet, fundamentally the same, and let the fear rule their lives, an ailment exhibited even here on VJ.

Someone said (I read?) somewhere that when it comes to racism it's the not first thought the counts. It's the second, or third, or fourth. Some people just can't get past their own ignorance, and their are worse off for it; because they live their live in fear and monotony.

I don't believe most people think their "race" is superior. There is a difference between being treated differently based on your culture or as an outsider and being subjected to racism.

Going back to American history, we have examples of slavery, genocide, segregation, internment that were based on racial discrimination. That is systemic racism. Not to beat a dead horse, but white people were not on the receiving end of any of that.

I think everyone would agree that racism exists everywhere. An article like this illustrates that anyone can be subjected to racism. The extent to which that can happen is not the same for everyone, and it's disingenuous to imply otherwise.

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Biter bit.

Hilarious.