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[GandD 5,966]

Ok then, for the sake of argument and being a libertarian, I agree depriving American citizens of Liberty is repugnant. (BTW the majority of them were not)

You are command. Your country is under attack and a West coast invasion is extremely likely by an enemy that is fanatical and will fight to the death.

You have 100,000 people in your area, behind the lines that, the majority strongly sympathize with the enemy.

Whats your answer ?

People are innocent until proven guilty. It took centuries of oppression to get those rights. We cannot throw those away because you think a certain race of people might be a problem. There were Americans of Japanese descent that fought bravely and proudly for this country. Would you spit on that because you think the Japanese might be a problem? American citizens, regardless of their race. How can you not see how completely racist and unamerican those camps were? I would certainly never advocate anything of the kind. There's not a shred of evidence those camps helped win the war in anyway.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

The moment we took American citizens and unconstitutionally imprisoned them, we lost our moral high ground. Unjustly imprisoning American citizens was wrong and not what this country is about. "Combat decisions" do not overtake our basic human rights. It was a disgusting thing to do and we have correctly apologized for that decision.

GandD, thank you. That's all I can say is thank you.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

People are innocent until proven guilty. It took centuries of oppression to get those rights. We cannot throw those away because you think a certain race of people might be a problem. There were Americans of Japanese descent that fought bravely and proudly for this country. Would you spit on that because you think the Japanese might be a problem? American citizens, regardless of their race. How can you not see how completely racist and unamerican those camps were? I would certainly never advocate anything of the kind. There's not a shred of evidence those camps helped win the war in anyway.

Not disagreeing with you entirely, just saying it may have been the logical option at the time.

So again what would you have done .

[jrego 32]

Ok then, for the sake of argument and being a libertarian, I agree depriving American citizens of Liberty is repugnant. (BTW the majority of them were not)

You are command. Your country is under attack and a West coast invasion is extremely likely by an enemy that is fanatical and will fight to the death.

You have 100,000 people in your area, behind the lines that, the majority strongly sympathize with the enemy.

Whats your answer ?

Wait wait, where are your sources that the majority of Japanese were not American citizens? And also, why didn't we also imprison Citizens of German descent? Especially those who were member of the nazi party in America? Why only the Japanese?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Wait wait, where are your sources that the majority of Japanese were not American citizens? And also, why didn't we also imprison Citizens of German descent? Especially those who were member of the nazi party in America? Why only the Japanese?

Upon further examination the Majority were citizens. I stand corrected .

As to the why on the Japanese.

I would say it was because, we were expecting a Possible West coast invasion and the fanatic level with which the Japanese operated.

Edited November 15, 2015 by junebug1210

[GandD 5,966]

Not disagreeing with you entirely, just saying it may have been the logical option at the time.

So again what would you have done .

I told you. I wouldn't unjustly imprison American citizens.

Look, I'm a proud American. I doesn't mean this country is perfect and we shouldn't act like it is. We've done great things and terrible things. Not unlike most of us individuals. But you have to own your mistakes and learn from them. Pointing out mistakes we've made does not make me any less of a patriot. Ones life is about learning from mistakes. Why wouldn't a country or society be the same way?

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

I told you. I wouldn't unjustly imprison American citizens.

Look, I'm a proud American. I doesn't mean this country is perfect and we shouldn't act like it is. We've done great things and terrible things. Not unlike most of us individuals. But you have to own your mistakes and learn from them. Pointing out mistakes we've made does not make me any less of a patriot. Ones life is about learning from mistakes. Why wouldn't a country or society be the same way?

Once again what would you have done?

You have told me what you would not have done. I have agreed that in hindsight it was a poor decision, but may have been what seemed like the best option at the time ?

[jrego 32]

I told you. I wouldn't unjustly imprison American citizens.

Look, I'm a proud American. I doesn't mean this country is perfect and we shouldn't act like it is. We've done great things and terrible things. Not unlike most of us individuals. But you have to own your mistakes and learn from them. Pointing out mistakes we've made does not make me any less of a patriot. Ones life is about learning from mistakes. Why wouldn't a country or society be the same way?

Thank you! Yes! That's what being a patriot is! When you're country is wrong you say it's wrong. and you say we can do better, there is a better way! Thank you for your response.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Not disagreeing with you entirely, just saying it may have been the logical option at the time.

So again what would you have done .

Here's another way to look at it.

There are 1000's of people killed here each year by gun violence. Do you think gun owners should be penalized for this? Maybe have all of them rounded up and detained? Because there's no way to tell between the two until one starts killing...

[GandD 5,966]

Once again what would you have done?

You have told me what you would not have done. I have agreed that in hindsight it was a poor decision, but may have been what seemed like the best option at the time ?

I wouldn't have put people in internment camps. Allow internal police and agents to deal with traitors and pursue the war in the pacific as they did. I don't believe the war would have been lost or even hampered without those internment camps.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Once again what would you have done?

You have told me what you would not have done. I have agreed that in hindsight it was a poor decision, but may have been what seemed like the best option at the time ?

Unless G was in the military serving in a capacity of leadership, it's not really fair to ask him this question. It's easy to say let's kill them all and let God sort them out.

I remember hearing that you served yes? What would have been your decision? Or better yet, ask Marvin since he might have some insight since he is a veteran.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Unless G was in the military serving in a capacity of leadership, it's not really fair to ask him this question. It's easy to say let's kill them all and let God sort them out.

I remember hearing that you served yes? What would have been your decision? Or better yet, ask Marvin since he might have some insight since he is a veteran.

Honestly Janelle, I don't know, . with hindsight I would probably not have,as I value our civil rights.

However at the time, in that period, with that threat looming it may have felt like the right thing to do at the time.

Do you need Marvin to talk for you ?

[jrego 32]

Upon further examination the Majority were citizens. I stand corrected .

As to the why on the Japanese.

I would say it was because, we were expecting a Possible West coast invasion and the fanatic level with which the Japanese operated.

The Germans had submarines land on the east coast. We had open Nazi sympathisers who held parades and summer camps in the United States and sent money to Germany. Yet we wrongly imprisoned American Citizens because of the fanatical level the Japanese operated? Many of those Japanese citizens were multigenerational families who had deep roots in this country, deeper than the recent wave of Eastern European immigrants (many German) that came through in the first half of the 20th century, but we built concentration camps for the Japanese American citizens!

I think you need to do a lot more reading into American history. There is, was, and never will be any justification for what we did. As an American proud of this country for many reasons, there are some incredibly horrid mistakes we have made in the name of national security that are deeply rooted in racist and ideologically radical beliefs, going back to the very founding of this nation. The more fear we have the worse it gets.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

The Germans had submarines land on the east coast. We had open Nazi sympathisers who held parades and summer camps in the United States and sent money to Germany. Yet we wrongly imprisoned American Citizens because of the fanatical level the Japanese operated? Many of those Japanese citizens were multigenerational families who had deep roots in this country, deeper than the recent wave of Eastern European immigrants (many German) that came through in the first half of the 20th century, but we built concentration camps for the Japanese American citizens!

I think you need to do a lot more reading into American history. There is, was, and never will be any justification for what we did. As an American proud of this country for many reasons, there are some incredibly horrid mistakes we have made in the name of national security that are deeply rooted in racist and ideologically radical beliefs, going back to the very founding of this nation. The more fear we have the worse it gets.

Fair enough.

[Janelle2002 3,865]

Honestly Janelle, I don't know, . with hindsight I would probably not have,as I value our civil rights.

However at the time, in that period, with that threat looming it may have felt like the right thing to do at the time.

Do you need Marvin to talk for you ?

Civil rights usually get trampled when the people affected aren't the majority.

At the time, fear tends to do that. esp when the enemy doesn't look like you.

Not at all, just putting it into perspective. But he does it so well