Mumbai finally notices a horrendous problem

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Mumbai starts zero tolerance policy on rubbish and public urinating

Monday March 13, 12:14 PM

MUMBAI (AFP) - Officials in India's financial capital began a "zero tolerance" campaign to clear Mumbai's mucky streets of people taking furtive roadside toilet breaks, illegal hawking and rubbish dumping.

A team of up to 300 officials will patrol 160 key arterial roads in the city with powers to order fines of up to 1,000 rupees (22.50 dollars) as part of a campaign to change attitudes in the litter-strewn city.

Thousands of tonnes of uncleared rubbish were blamed for blocking the city's aging drainage system, which was held partly responsible for the monsoon flooding last year which left more than 400 people dead.

But inadequate facilities and a growing population of almost 20 million, with most living in slums, also leave their mark with the smell of urine in the streets, footways stained red from betel nut spit and blocked gutters.

"We have selected 160 roads and these will be monitored for zero tolerance," said commissioner Johny Joseph of the city's administrative body. "We want to have a total collection of garbage -- we don't want garbage from hawkers and the people who cook on the road.

"We are looking for an attitudinal change. Initially we will continue this campaign for a week and we want to extend it."

Environmentalists accused city officials of doing too little coupled with an inefficient waste collection and disposal system. But they also criticised citizens for doing too little to look after the crowded city.

"An Indian person abroad is a different animal who doesn't spit on the pavement and follows all the rules. When he comes back to Mumbai he is the same as normal," said Debi Goenka, of the Conservation Action Trust.

"Frankly I don't think anything has been done to learn from last year's mistakes. I'm thinking of buying a boat."

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[pri 0]

Wow that would be great i knew there were fines if you spit out Paan stuff in the street or on walls..

This move was required way back but due to delay system which works in India it had taken a back seat..

It would be good to see a clean Mumbai

[almaty 19]

i saw something on one of the news cahnnels...looked terrible..saif there was allot of disease in open sewers in the poorer parts of town..

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Wow that would be great i knew there were fines if you spit out Paan stuff in the street or on walls..

This move was required way back but due to delay system which works in India it had taken a back seat..

It would be good to see a clean Mumbai

Yeah, I can remember BJP having an idea to outlaw paan chewing in 1998, which I thought was a good idea (and, as a Christian, i definitely am no fan of BJP) for only two reasons:

• cleanliness--as that red stuff is disgusting, as is the spitting
  
• health--paan chewers are known to have higher-than-average rates of both dental problems and oral cancers
  

[Melo 1]

I will believe it when I see it... coz all you need to do to get away from prosecution even in the case of murder, is grease some one's palm

[Saddle Bronc 124]

The simple approach to enforcement would be that used by MT (as in US state of Montana) traffic police--make offender pay the fine RIGHT THERE, but give option to "appeal"

(for the "appeal" which involves greasing, ensure they must visit the police station and wait lots of hours.

[almaty 19]

The simple approach to enforcement would be that used by MT (as in US state of Montana) traffic police--make offender pay the fine RIGHT THERE, but give option to "appeal"

(for the "appeal" which involves greasing, ensure they must visit the police station and wait lots of hours.

those clever folks there..by the way, a most beautiful state...

Edited March 14, 2006 by almaty2004

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

The simple approach to enforcement would be that used by MT (as in US state of Montana) traffic police--make offender pay the fine RIGHT THERE, but give option to "appeal"

There can be no offender where there is no offense.

That's what happens when you bribe the nice cop dude right then and there. No harm, no foul. You go home 100 rupees poorer and his kids gets to have chicken tonight.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

The simple approach to enforcement would be that used by MT (as in US state of Montana) traffic police--make offender pay the fine RIGHT THERE, but give option to "appeal"

There can be no offender where there is no offense.

That's what happens when you bribe the nice cop dude right then and there. No harm, no foul. You go home 100 rupees poorer and his kids gets to have chicken tonight.

What I meant was "cop gives challan and collects fine right there, but option to "appeal".

But even taking bribe on spot would be a partial deterrent--if it's set at a level of Rs. 1000 or so.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

But even taking bribe on spot would be a partial deterrent--if it's set at a level of Rs. 1000 or so.

Yes.

But that won't happen. It's in not in the interests of Indian cops to set bribe amounts so high that people stop doing the crime. And you can't exactly legislate bribe amounts

[Saddle Bronc 124]

But even taking bribe on spot would be a partial deterrent--if it's set at a level of Rs. 1000 or so.

Yes.

But that won't happen. It's in not in the interests of Indian cops to set bribe amounts so high that people stop doing the crime. And you can't exactly legislate bribe amounts

Ah, but it is in their interest to "inflation index" their bribes.

Plus, having to give the bribe in PUBLIC may provide another deterrent.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

...having to give the bribe in PUBLIC may provide another deterrent.

haha, what's the big deal with bribing in public? bribery is open in india, even I have done it many times. it's expected behavior there.

[patdev 0]

the Govt try to chage but corrupt politician won;t let it happen because it doesn't give increment to the salary to the lowwer worker under the politicians!! such as police and then end up doing it!!

but itt needs to some point!!

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

the Govt try to chage but corrupt politician won;t let it happen because it doesn't give increment to the salary to the lowwer worker under the politicians!! such as police and then end up doing it!!

but itt needs to some point!!

What?

[almaty 19]

the Govt try to chage but corrupt politician won;t let it happen because it doesn't give increment to the salary to the lowwer worker under the politicians!! such as police and then end up doing it!!

but itt needs to some point!!

What?

needs to change brother arijit....that was his point i think