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I confess! I'm on the OT to see how many people I can piss off enought to leave VJ! :P Good grief! If I have an attitude, it probably comes from hanging out on MENA for too long. You guys need to get past this. I have.

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Some people seem to enjoy commenting on me rather than on the subject matter. I find that odd. I don't see myself the way some here do, and have a totally different and satisfying life away from here. So what happens here is only a blip on the radar, and a temporary one at that.

Thank for your contribution!

I don't find that odd at all. Because, you're always commenting on yourself. Like, constantly.

And for some reason, you're always reassuring us that you have a totally different and satisfying life outside of VJ. Why is that?

Are you admitting you're putting on a show? Acting differently from who you really are? I mean, I understand that this is an online community, not quite the same as a knitting club but we are all real people behind our little screens.

So what is it? Are you really that different as you always say you are or are you pretending to have a tough momma online persona?

You're welcome for my contribution.

I'm not sure why people keep commenting on me if they want me to stop commenting on me. I also didn't realize that it's poor netiquette to comment on oneself. Please help; who should I comment on instead?

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

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Some people seem to enjoy commenting on me rather than on the subject matter. I find that odd. I don't see myself the way some here do, and have a totally different and satisfying life away from here. So what happens here is only a blip on the radar, and a temporary one at that.

Thank for your contribution!

I don't find that odd at all. Because, you're always commenting on yourself. Like, constantly.

And for some reason, you're always reassuring us that you have a totally different and satisfying life outside of VJ. Why is that?

Are you admitting you're putting on a show? Acting differently from who you really are? I mean, I understand that this is an online community, not quite the same as a knitting club but we are all real people behind our little screens.

So what is it? Are you really that different as you always say you are or are you pretending to have a tough momma online persona?

You're welcome for my contribution.

I'm not sure why people keep commenting on me if they want me to stop commenting on me. I also didn't realize that it's poor netiquette to comment on oneself. Please help; who should I comment on instead?

OH please, don't offend me by pretending to be clueless.

You know exactly what I and others meant.

Oh and I thought you were divorced, I didn't realize your ex was deceased.

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

Culturally, male activities have been valued more highly than female activities. Women are allowed to be more like men without the stigma attached to men who are perceived to be more feminine. Some women compensate for this imbalance by emphasizing their "male" traits and abilities. On the other hand, some women's natural abilities are considered to be more "male" and they suffer for those, as well.

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

Culturally, male activities have been valued more highly than female activities. Women are allowed to be more like men without the stigma attached to men who are perceived to be more feminine. Some women compensate for this imbalance by emphasizing their "male" traits and abilities.

Hmm, who would do that...

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

It's a generation gap, and I'm thoroughly serious about this. When feminism starts, it's a lot about "girls can do whatever the boys do." The professors I have, wonderful strong women in their 80s who invented fields of logic, had to endure a metric shitload of sexism from the men in the profession. They responded by becoming tough as nails, and adapted by shunning a lot of traditional feminine ways of dressing, not having children, that sort of thing. If my old profs had worn pink sweaters and heels and taken ballet, they would have been ignored. So they didn't, had to act like men, shun womanly things. A lot of them didn't get to have the families they wanted.

Our generation grew up in the more relaxed atmosphere. People realize that I can wear eyeliner and be intelligent. I can have children and my job won't assume I'm not serious about it. It isn't perfect, but everything's a lot less gendered; we've made a lot of progress. But if you had to grow up defining 'girl' as 'bad' and yourself as 'not girl' just to be taken seriously... man, we owe those women a debt.

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

It's a generation gap, and I'm thoroughly serious about this. When feminism starts, it's a lot about "girls can do whatever the boys do." The professors I have, wonderful strong women in their 80s who invented fields of logic, had to endure a metric shitload of sexism from the men in the profession. They responded by becoming tough as nails, and adapted by shunning a lot of traditional feminine ways of dressing, not having children, that sort of thing. If my old profs had worn pink sweaters and heels and taken ballet, they would have been ignored. So they didn't, had to act like men, shun womanly things. A lot of them didn't get to have the families they wanted.

Our generation grew up in the more relaxed atmosphere. People realize that I can wear eyeliner and be intelligent. I can have children and my job won't assume I'm not serious about it. It isn't perfect, but everything's a lot less gendered; we've made a lot of progress. But if you had to grow up defining 'girl' as 'bad' and yourself as 'not girl' just to be taken seriously... man, we owe those women a debt.

Good point! But, it also requires taking into account that prior to the feminist movement, male traits and female traits were defined by social norms, not by individual abilities and traits. We still do that to a great extent, in fact.

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insistence that men like you because you are tough and not girly like those other despisable women

This is not specific to this thread, but I've always found it sort of a reversal of feminist ideas that women should be proud of being more like men. In my experience, women are always proud of things that they do that are more like men. Being able to fix a car or play football or keep your emotions inside has more value than being able to garden or play tennis or empathize with someone simply because it's not expected of women and is considered "manly."

IMO, if we're really going to be proud of being women, we should be proud of being women, not proud of being as close as we can be to male stereotypes.

It's a generation gap, and I'm thoroughly serious about this. When feminism starts, it's a lot about "girls can do whatever the boys do." The professors I have, wonderful strong women in their 80s who invented fields of logic, had to endure a metric shitload of sexism from the men in the profession. They responded by becoming tough as nails, and adapted by shunning a lot of traditional feminine ways of dressing, not having children, that sort of thing. If my old profs had worn pink sweaters and heels and taken ballet, they would have been ignored. So they didn't, had to act like men, shun womanly things. A lot of them didn't get to have the families they wanted.

Our generation grew up in the more relaxed atmosphere. People realize that I can wear eyeliner and be intelligent. I can have children and my job won't assume I'm not serious about it. It isn't perfect, but everything's a lot less gendered; we've made a lot of progress. But if you had to grow up defining 'girl' as 'bad' and yourself as 'not girl' just to be taken seriously... man, we owe those women a debt.

Yes, definitely we owe those women respect, but they made it so we don't have to do that anymore. It annoys me when young women today act like that. I don't see a lot of women NOT acting like that.

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Oh, definitely. And it's not as though I don't have stereotypically 'masculine' traits, or that there aren't still social costs to being considered too girly. Being a bubblehead is very very bad in philosophy; and aesthetics and ethics are considered 'girly' fields and hence some what less prestigious. But you know, if I go to our department party tonight looking hot, no one will assume I'm husband shopping.

It's just that the battlelines have shifted. 80-year-old prof fought for the right to be published without people referring to her as 'Miss X' all the damn time. 45-year-old prof brought her baby into the office to breastfeed in her (private) office because the university didn't offer leave or daycare. Women my age accept that as normal and push for flex-time and daycare.

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Twenty-seven.

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Oh and I thought you were divorced, I didn't realize your ex was deceased.

She's said both, so it's anyone's guess.

How can one claim God cares to judge a fornicator over judging a lying, conniving bully? I guess you would if you are the lying, conniving bully.

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"poisoned by a jew" sounds like a Borat song

If you bring up the truth, you're a PSYCHOPATH, life lesson #442.

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