GOT INTERVIEW DATE!!

[koolaidman23 0]

I am sorry to hear about what happened. I hope you get good news soon!

[malka 0]

TheRobinsons,

I'm so sorry to hear that... "establishing domicile in the US" is very important detail to them. We live in Italy, therefore, we don't have a resident in the US. What my husband did, is printed out all bank statments, all stock/bonds/mutual funds/retirement investments, to prove that he (or we) plan to stay and live in the US. Basically showing all assets are invested in the US.

Good luck, I hope they don't send you a refusal letter.

W.

What? What what what? You have to prove domicile in the US? But what if, to file abroad, you have to prove residency abroad? I hadn't clued into this "establishing domicile in the US" bit... I mean, why would anyone go through all this immigrant visa money and bother if they didn't want to live in the USA? Do they take the country of application into account? What if your only assets in the US are a few credit cards and a (rapidly dwindling) bank account? We were going to use my parents' address for our US address.

The Robinsons - I'm so sorry it went badly like that. I really hope you get good news.

[Fofire 0]

TheRobinsons,

I'm so sorry to hear that... "establishing domicile in the US" is very important detail to them. We live in Italy, therefore, we don't have a resident in the US. What my husband did, is printed out all bank statments, all stock/bonds/mutual funds/retirement investments, to prove that he (or we) plan to stay and live in the US. Basically showing all assets are invested in the US.

Good luck, I hope they don't send you a refusal letter.

W.

What? What what what? You have to prove domicile in the US? But what if, to file abroad, you have to prove residency abroad? I hadn't clued into this "establishing domicile in the US" bit... I mean, why would anyone go through all this immigrant visa money and bother if they didn't want to live in the USA? Do they take the country of application into account? What if your only assets in the US are a few credit cards and a (rapidly dwindling) bank account? We were going to use my parents' address for our US address.

The Robinsons - I'm so sorry it went badly like that. I really hope you get good news.

Hi Malka,

Yes you can use your parents address as your address. It just seems that the consular officer was a bit bitchy and the robinsons just werent prepared for that. Im sure that if they do get denied that theyll be able to appeal it. Thats such a stupid reason to get denied. .

I dont really think that the Embassies can expect for us to have 2 houses or apartments (1 abroad and 1 in the US) in order to get a visa.

Hell worst case scenario jut use your last known address in the US. It s not like the US has a database of current residencies like the rest of Europe does. Then when you do get back you can change that address to the one U plan to live at.

Fofire

[iluvmymac 0]

Domicile is something they verify as there are some USC's who were born abroad and have always lived abroad, never having lived in the US. And they also want to make sure that the foreign relative will not be living in the US without the USC. It may sound ridiculous to all of us, but I guess it does happen.

To see more about proving domicile, check the I-864 instructions.

TheRobinsons,

I'm so sorry to hear that... "establishing domicile in the US" is very important detail to them. We live in Italy, therefore, we don't have a resident in the US. What my husband did, is printed out all bank statments, all stock/bonds/mutual funds/retirement investments, to prove that he (or we) plan to stay and live in the US. Basically showing all assets are invested in the US.

Good luck, I hope they don't send you a refusal letter.

W.

What? What what what? You have to prove domicile in the US? But what if, to file abroad, you have to prove residency abroad? I hadn't clued into this "establishing domicile in the US" bit... I mean, why would anyone go through all this immigrant visa money and bother if they didn't want to live in the USA? Do they take the country of application into account? What if your only assets in the US are a few credit cards and a (rapidly dwindling) bank account? We were going to use my parents' address for our US address.

The Robinsons - I'm so sorry it went badly like that. I really hope you get good news.

Edited March 9, 2007 by iluvmymac

[wealtz 0]

All--

Sorry for the confusion, the proof of domicile is required if your spouse is also your sponsor (I-864), as iluvmymac mentioned. It's not related to a residence or non-residence in the US at the point of application.

W

[malka 0]

Thanks for the info and clarification! I get a little paranoid that I'll get blindsided at the last minute by something I never even thought to worry about!

[The Robinsons 0]

This is what the embassy told us. There are 2 ways of proving domicile in the US if you do not live there.

1: Prove that you're in the foreign country temporarily (like having saving accounts - that you still have money in - from when you were living in the us, or a temporary visa from the government in the foreign country)

OR

2: Prove that you're intending to return to the US. Like signing a lease, buying a house etc. Appearently a c/o address and an expired residence permit in the foreign country is not enough.

And see this is where I'm seriously unhappy if they decide to send us a refusal letter. BECAUSE in the I-864 instructions it clearly says: "Other proof could be evidence that you are a student studyingabroad or that a foreign government has authorized atemporary stay." Now when we filed the I-130 they checked my husband's passport and actually commented on the fact that his residence permit/visa to denmark was TEMPORARY! So how the f**k can they have any doubts of his domicile being in the US? I'm just asking.

NOTE: IF YOUR PETITIONER CANNOT PROVE US DOMICILE YOUR VISA WILL BE DENIED AND YOU CANNOT USE A JOINT SPONSOR.

[Mephibosheth 0]

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[Darryl 0]

This is getting to be a scary thread....Can someone clarify for me? My wife is the dual Canadian/US citizen - I am a Canadian citizen. We both live in Canada and neither of us have ever lived in the US. Our purpose of filing the I-130 is so we can move from Canada to the US an dlive/work there. If I'm understanding this correctly - does this mean we'll have a tough time etting my visa because neither of us have a residence in the US?

Thanks for any info you could provide

Darryl

[hmm 0]

Thanks for the info and clarification! I get a little paranoid that I'll get blindsided at the last minute by something I never even thought to worry about!

Unfortunatly we are already all getting paranoid and very stressed about the final interview... Specially now more after whats happened to the Robinson's the 8 march during her final interview at the embassy...

[meauxna 15]

All,

As noted, there is a significant difference between "domicile" and "residence". I have included the three best information links I could find regarding domicile in the DCF Guide.

(the first link should be updated to: http://travel.state.gov/visa/immigrants/ty...ypes_2991.html)

From the Dept of State:

Domicile: Place where a person has his or her principal residence. The person must intend to keep that residence for the foreseeable future. The sponsor of an immigrant must have domicile in the United States before the visa can be issued. This generally means that the sponsor must be living in the United States. In certain circumstances, however one can be considered to have a domicile while living temporarily living overseas.

Darryl: your wife may be required to show that she has taken steps to establish her new residence in the US visa some of the suggested ties: leasing/renting housing, arranging schooling for any kids, banking, voting, certainly with income tax returns (required). You two may want to pay special attention to this section of your process since your USC has not lived in the US. Others have managed this; VJ poster Yovav moved from Israel with his wife under similar circumstances.

The Robinsons may find that there are other acceptable ways to show domicile than what's quoted as from the Embassy.

malka: I had been in Greece for a good while when I filed and used the 'temporarily resident abroad' angle. Caveat: I did own my own home in the US and used that address (while having my mail forwarded away from it to my folks').

eta: The London US Consulate's website also had good domicile info--I don't have the link to hand.

Edited March 9, 2007 by meauxna

[hmm 0]

One question

On I-864 FORM, PART4

On 12 mailling address : what adress should we write the abroad one or the US one.

On 13 Place of residence: what adress should we write the abroad one or the US one

im getting very confused

Thanks for ur answers

[The Robinsons 0]

This is getting to be a scary thread....Can someone clarify for me? My wife is the dual Canadian/US citizen - I am a Canadian citizen. We both live in Canada and neither of us have ever lived in the US. Our purpose of filing the I-130 is so we can move from Canada to the US an dlive/work there. If I'm understanding this correctly - does this mean we'll have a tough time etting my visa because neither of us have a residence in the US?

Thanks for any info you could provide

Darryl

Hi Darryl,

You'll have the same issues as we've had. Proving that you've taken steps to establish domicile in the US. You will also need to find a joint sponsor since I'm guessing your wife has never filed a US tax return or has a continuing source of income in the US. But good luck.

Tine

[The Robinsons 0]

One question

On I-864 FORM, PART4

On 12 mailling address : what adress should we write the abroad one or the US one.

On 13 Place of residence: what adress should we write the abroad one or the US one

im getting very confused

Thanks for ur answers

Hi,

We wrote my husband's c/o address in the US on both. But then again that was because he's not officially living in Denmark anymore. As far as I get, if both of you live abroad you're gonna have to write your foreign address on both and then add papers proving you've taken steps to re-establish US domicile.

[koolaidman23 0]

How far you go to have to prove domicile depends on the country. In Brazil for instance, all I have to show is that we have a "plan" when we get back to the US. At our I-130 interview, I directly asked the interviewer if I would have to return to the US before my wife's visa interview, to prove that I intend to live there again. He told me all that I need to do is to have a plan when I get back to the US. I am going to write up something stating that I plan to get work in a certain industry, and that I will be returning to school soon, etc.

Again, I hope you get good news soon.