Swiss fighter check on russian plane inflames Russian tension

[Teddy B 17,252]

Thanks Teddy. I wasn't sure if I made that up or not.

Not at all made up.

I'm not sure how old the standards are for the filtration systems, but they are fairly stringent. The end result of the air that is circulated through the filter system and then pumped back into the range must have a HEPA rating of 99.97%.

[Sousuke 1,214]

Given the correlation, perhaps we'll see a greater trend towards lead free bullets. Lead exposure is actually something OSHA monitor's at firing ranges, although they still use guidelines from the 70's.

I never go to indoor ranges because of exposure risks. (not that the filter systems have issues, I'm just not convinced places maintain them properly)

That being said my favorite range, the Chabot Gun Club, is in danger of closing this year due to lead remediation costs of the berms. You've probably seen Chabot as its used in the majority of Mythbuster episodes where they need a range.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Thanks Teddy. I wasn't sure if I made that up or not.

Yup you have to hunt water fowl with steel shot now

[Sousuke 1,214]

Yup you have to hunt water fowl with steel shot now

In California, there is a total ban on hunting with lead.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Can't fish in most states with lead lures or weights either. Not sure if that applies to ocean fishing or not.

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Can't fish in most states with lead lures or weights either. Not sure if that applies to ocean fishing or not.

That I did not know

[GandD 5,966]

TIL......

[Teddy B 17,252]

That I did not know

I think the law varies from state to state, but most states have some sort of ban on lead fishing tackle.

[TBoneTX 46,282]

perhaps we'll see a greater trend towards lead free bullets

Joycelyn Elders called for "safer guns and safer bullets" some time ago.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Can't fish in most states with lead lures or weights either. Not sure if that applies to ocean fishing or not.

You can throw anything in the ocean.

[Dakine10 5,452]

Joycelyn Elders called for "safer guns and safer bullets" some time ago.

I read a while ago that gun related deaths are expected to surpass automobile related deaths for the first time this year. It's going to ruin one of my favorite red herring arguments.

[Dakine10 5,452]

I never go to indoor ranges because of exposure risks. (not that the filter systems have issues, I'm just not convinced places maintain them properly)

That being said my favorite range, the Chabot Gun Club, is in danger of closing this year due to lead remediation costs of the berms. You've probably seen Chabot as its used in the majority of Mythbuster episodes where they need a range.

I've seen mythbuster's but I usually have the volume down, so I couldn't really say what it is they are doing, besides blowing stuff up and such.

[eieio 1,594]

Can't fish in most states with lead lures or weights either. Not sure if that applies to ocean fishing or not.

Not true. Most states do not have any bans on lead tackle. There are a handful (5-8?) that have some bans. Most are for small lead sinkers only.

[Teddy B 17,252]

Not true. Most states do not have any bans on lead tackle. There are a handful (5-8?) that have some bans. Most are for small lead sinkers only.

You are correct. It appears that currently only 8 states have an existing ban on lead fishing tackle (my bad). 6 of those states are New England states (which is where I live and may be why I assumed it was more widespread), the other two states are New York and California. There are environmental groups that are making strong pushes for a federal ban, which up until now the EPA has denied.

[decocker 7,198]

You are correct. It appears that currently only 8 states have an existing ban on lead fishing tackle (my bad). 6 of those states are New England states (which is where I live and may be why I assumed it was more widespread), the other two states are New York and California. There are environmental groups that are making strong pushes for a federal ban, which up until now the EPA has denied.

contrary to popular belief, ne intelligence (similar to wealth) does not trickle down to us bumpkins. we like lead (and everything else) in our water, thanks. puts hair on yer chest.