Refusing birth certificates...

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

Does this mean they were not born ?

We need to stop the anchor baby thing. Maybe it would take an amendment.

[decocker 7,198]

Does this mean they were not born ?

We need to stop the anchor baby thing. Maybe it would take an amendment.

why do we need to stop the anchor baby thing? it isn't even a thing..

But the anchor baby, while potent politically, is a largely mythical idea.

Here's the basic concept: People, namely women, come to the United States illegally and give birth to children, generally for the specific purpose of bolstering legal attempts of the child's parents remain in the United States or even become citizens themselves.

Looser definitions suggest "anchor babies" can simply be intended to help illegal-immigrant parents access taxpayer-financed public education and/or social services through their citizen children -- another political hot button, to be sure. (Even here, the law limits those benefits to the children themselves.)

But usually the debate has been about the residency of the parents, who after all are supposed to be using the child as their "anchor."

This is the definition that has little legal underpinning. For illegal immigrant parents, being the parent of a U.S. citizen child almost never forms the core of a successful defense in an immigration court. In short, if the undocumented parent of a U.S.-born child is caught in the United States, he or she legally faces the very same risk of deportation as any other immigrant.

The only thing that a so-called anchor baby can do to assist either of their undocumented parents involves such a long game that it's not a practical immigration strategy, said Greg Chen, an immigration law expert and director of The American Immigration Lawyers Association, a trade group that also advocates for immigrant-friendly reforms. That long game is this: If and when a U.S. citizen reaches the age of 21, he or she can then apply for a parent to obtain a visa and green card and eventually enter the United States legally.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/

[The Nature Boy 7,659]

why do we need to stop the anchor baby thing? it isn't even a thing..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/

Ok let me rephrase. A child of illegal parents, born here. Should not automatically be given citizenship regardless of the goal

[decocker 7,198]

Ok let me rephrase. A child of illegal parents, born here. Should not automatically be given citizenship regardless of the goal

but they are. babies born in tejas are murican babies. no matter how illegal their parents are.

[JohnR! 5,495]

Indeed they are... Isn't America grand?

but they are. babies born in tejas are murican babies. no matter how illegal their parents are.

[decocker 7,198]

Indeed they are... Isn't America grand?

i think the issue of immigration fraud is much more relevant in marraige based immigration than with the 'anchor babies' phenomenon. least anchor babies have to put in 21 years for the end game to even begin.

[JohnR! 5,495]

I also agree with that. The thing is that while we're talking about anchor babies, we're not talking about the real issue, which is to eliminate AOS from any type of non-immigrant/non-dual purpose visas and VWP, and end stateside AOS - that seems to be where fraud is more rampant.

i think the issue of immigration fraud is much more relevant in marraige based immigration than with the 'anchor babies' phenomenon. least anchor babies have to put in 21 years for the end game to even begin.

[decocker 7,198]

I also agree with that. The thing is that while we're talking about anchor babies, we're not talking about the real issue, which is to eliminate AOS from any type of non-immigrant/non-dual purpose visas and VWP, and end stateside AOS - that seems to be where fraud is more rampant.

yep, it's always !!anchor babies, illegals!! in the national 'discussion' lol. but honestly, the majority of americans have no clue about immigration or what it takes to become a citizen, let alone what it takes for a us citizen to file for their illegal parents. i'd bet 80 percent of the general public think that a mexican can cross the border, have a baby, and be a legit US citizen with free obamaphone and welfare for life..just like that.

[JohnR! 5,495]

As they should: Trump told them so, and he wouldn't lie now, would he?

yep, it's always !!anchor babies, illegals!! in the national 'discussion' lol. but honestly, the majority of americans have no clue about immigration or what it takes to become a citizen, let alone what it takes for a us citizen to file for their illegal parents. i'd bet 80 percent of the general public think that a mexican can cross the border, have a baby, and be a legit US citizen with free obamaphone and welfare for life..just like that.

[decocker 7,198]

As they should: Trump told them so, and he wouldn't lie now, would he?

is there money to be made off of illegals? off mass deportation? off mass incarceration of illegals? off building a wall? if so, trump is obligated to the benjamins - first and foremost.

[JohnR! 5,495]

There is money to be made off building a wall, hence his preference for that method - he can give out government contract to his friends...

is there money to be made off of illegals? off mass deportation? off mass incarceration of illegals? off building a wall? if so, trump is obligated to the benjamins - first and foremost.

[Sousuke 1,214]

There is money to be made off building a wall, hence his preference for that method - he can give out government contract to his friends...

The walls that have been built have been fairly cheap thus far, just sheet steel and H beam posts. Unless he is going to build a replica of the great wall of china (which i wouldn't put it past him) then it won't be a big project.

Everyone that says "builds a wall" doesn't realize there are already a number of walls and they are ineffective and do more to harm wildlife migration patterns than anything else.

Edited October 19, 2015 by Sousuke

[decocker 7,198]

There is money to be made off building a wall, hence his preference for that method - he can give out government contract to his friends...

his contractor friends might run into trouble keeping costs down without the aid of their typical standing work crew..

[TBoneTX 45,309]

The walls that have been built have been fairly cheap thus far, just sheet steel and H beam posts. Unless he is going to build a replica of the great wall of china (which i wouldn't put it past him) then it won't be a big project.

Everyone that says "builds a wall" doesn't realize there are already a number of walls and they are ineffective and do more to harm wildlife migration patterns than anything else.

Where's the +1,000 button for the above?

Also lost in the "build the wall" noise is the unforgivable violation of private-property rights when individuals and businesses have their land seized by the government in order to "build the wall!"