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JohnR! Grand Master

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The religion on love continues to spread the gospel...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/us/new-york-church-assault-case/

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(CNN)A counseling session on the spiritual state of two brothers turned physical at Word of Life Christian Church in New Hartford, New York, resulting in the death of a young man and serious injuries to his brother, New Hartford Police Chief Michael Inserra said Wednesday.

Their parents, Bruce T. Leonard, 65, and Deborah R. Leonard, 59, each face one count of first-degree manslaughter, a Class B felony. The Leonards were each ordered held on $100,000 bail at arraignment Wednesday. Four other church members

were charged with second-degree assault, also a felony.

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Church members arrested after teen's death

Family members took Lucas Leonard, 19, by car Monday afternoon to a hospital in nearby Utica. New Hartford police said Leonard was injured during an assault and was pronounced dead Monday at the hospital.

Leonard's 17-year-old brother, Christopher, was hospitalized in serious condition after suffering blunt force trauma injuries also, police said.

The assaults occurred after a Sunday night service at the church, which is located about 250 miles north of New York City. The congregation held what Inserra called a "counseling session" for the two brothers.

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The church should be renamed "Word of Death Christian Church" after what ocurred there.

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When i was dating my wife, we met in Utica a couple times on weekends because it was a halfway point for each of us to drive. That area of upstate NY reminds me a bit of the bible belt spots in the south.

reminds me of my first time in montreal and my husband was all, lookit all the churches. and i was all, are you serious? there should be two minimum on every block - including suburbs- to keep up with the valley! one protestant, one insane independent and/or baptist and one catholic/episcopalian (these are interchangeable) - every block.

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This church seems to represent the extremist fringe of the faith...

we can debate the literal meaning of 'the rod' or 'the rod of discipline' but imo the bible clearly states that if you don't beat your kids, you don't love them.

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/13-24.htm

New International Version

Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

New Living Translation

Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children. Those who love their children care enough to discipline them.

English Standard Version

Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

New American Standard Bible

He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

King James Bible

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Holman Christian Standard Bible

The one who will not use the rod hates his son, but the one who loves him disciplines him diligently.

International Standard Version

Whoever does not discipline his son hates him, but whoever loves him is diligent to correct him.

NET Bible

The one who spares his rod hates his child, but the one who loves his child is diligent in disciplining him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English

Everyone that spares concerning his rod, hates his son, and he that loves his son disciplines him earnestly.

GOD'S WORD® Translation

Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.

JPS Tanakh 1917

He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

New American Standard 1977

He who spares his rod hates his son,

But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

Jubilee Bible 2000

He that cuts short chastening hates his son, but he that loves him chastens him early.

King James 2000 Bible

He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him early.

American King James Version

He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him betimes.

American Standard Version

He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Douay-Rheims Bible

He that spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes.

Darby Bible Translation

He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

English Revised Version

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Webster's Bible Translation

He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

World English Bible

One who spares the rod hates his son, but one who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Young's Literal Translation

Whoso is sparing his rod is hating his son, And whoso is loving him hath hastened him chastisement.

TBoneTX Grand Master

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When i was dating my wife, we met in Utica a couple times on weekends because it was a halfway point for each of us to drive. That area of upstate NY reminds me a bit of the bible belt spots in the south.

And if you'd met in Rome instead, you should have done as the Romans did.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

JohnR! Grand Master

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Interesting. It seems this group of loving christians have interpreted their holy book to the letter... In addition, how could anyone consider beating up their children to death. How about the sanctity of life? Does it end at some point after a fetus becomes a baby?

we can debate the literal meaning of 'the rod' or 'the rod of discipline' but imo the bible clearly states that if you don't beat your kids, you don't love them.

http://biblehub.com/proverbs/13-24.htm

New International Version
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

New Living Translation
Those who spare the rod of discipline hate their children. Those who love their children care enough to discipline them.

English Standard Version
Whoever spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him is diligent to discipline him.

New American Standard Bible
He who withholds his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

King James Bible
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
The one who will not use the rod hates his son, but the one who loves him disciplines him diligently.

International Standard Version
Whoever does not discipline his son hates him, but whoever loves him is diligent to correct him.

NET Bible
The one who spares his rod hates his child, but the one who loves his child is diligent in disciplining him.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Everyone that spares concerning his rod, hates his son, and he that loves his son disciplines him earnestly.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Whoever refuses to spank his son hates him, but whoever loves his son disciplines him from early on.

JPS Tanakh 1917
He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

New American Standard 1977
He who spares his rod hates his son,
But he who loves him disciplines him diligently.

Jubilee Bible 2000
He that cuts short chastening hates his son, but he that loves him chastens him early.

King James 2000 Bible
He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him early.

American King James Version
He that spares his rod hates his son: but he that loves him chastens him betimes.

American Standard Version
He that spareth his rod hateth his son; But he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Douay-Rheims Bible
He that spareth the rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him correcteth him betimes.

Darby Bible Translation
He that spareth his rod hateth his son; but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

English Revised Version
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

Webster's Bible Translation
He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.

World English Bible
One who spares the rod hates his son, but one who loves him is careful to discipline him.

Young's Literal Translation
Whoso is sparing his rod is hating his son, And whoso is loving him hath hastened him chastisement.

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TBoneTX Grand Master

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Good, but can you spell "Canandaigua" three times in a row, really fast?

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

decocker Grand Master

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Interesting. It seems this group of loving christians have interpreted their holy book to the letter... In addition, how could anyone consider beating up their children to death. How about the sanctity of life? Does it end at some point after a fetus becomes a baby?

one of my favorite bible stories is the one where god tells abraham to sacrifice is son to him. and then god waits till the very last second to shout out 'yo abraham, good job bro. you were going to kill your son just like i asked, even though you love your son so much, you passed the test and proved you love me more. as a reward, don't kill your kid!'

andrea yates didn't get a shout out. oops.

JohnR! Grand Master

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Yep... That's precisely what any sane and stable minded god would do... or maybe god had had a heavy S&M date the night before...

one of my favorite bible stories is the one where god tells abraham to sacrifice is son to him. and then god waits till the very last second to shout out 'yo abraham, good job bro. you were going to kill your son just like i asked, even though you love your son so much, you passed the test and proved you love me more. as a reward, don't kill your kid!'

andrea yates didn't get a shout out. oops.

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you were going to kill your son just like i asked [...] you passed the test

This was the default test (probably one of the few available). Canandaigua hadn't been founded yet, so it couldn't be spelled, any number of times in a row or at any speed.

06-04-2007 = TSC stamps postal return-receipt for I-129f.

06-11-2007 = NOA1 date (unknown to me).

07-20-2007 = Phoned Immigration Officer; got WAC#; where's NOA1?

09-25-2007 = Touch (first-ever).

09-28-2007 = NOA1, 23 days after their 45-day promise to send it (grrrr).

10-20 & 11-14-2007 = Phoned ImmOffs; "still pending."

12-11-2007 = 180 days; file is "between workstations, may be early Jan."; touches 12/11 & 12/12.

12-18-2007 = Call; file is with Division 9 ofcr. (bckgrnd check); e-prompt to shake it; touch.

12-19-2007 = NOA2 by e-mail & web, dated 12-18-07 (187 days; 201 per VJ); in mail 12/24/07.

01-09-2008 = File from USCIS to NVC, 1-4-08; NVC creates file, 1/15/08; to consulate 1/16/08.

01-23-2008 = Consulate gets file; outdated Packet 4 mailed to fiancee 1/27/08; rec'd 3/3/08.

04-29-2008 = Fiancee's 4-min. consular interview, 8:30 a.m.; much evidence brought but not allowed to be presented (consul: "More proof! Second interview! Bring your fiance!").

05-05-2008 = Infuriating $12 call to non-English-speaking consulate appointment-setter.

05-06-2008 = Better $12 call to English-speaker; "joint" interview date 6/30/08 (my selection).

06-30-2008 = Stokes Interrogations w/Ecuadorian (not USC); "wait 2 weeks; we'll mail her."

07-2008 = Daily calls to DOS: "currently processing"; 8/05 = Phoned consulate, got Section Chief; wrote him.

08-07-08 = E-mail from consulate, promising to issue visa "as soon as we get her passport" (on 8/12, per DHL).

08-27-08 = Phoned consulate (they "couldn't find" our file); visa DHL'd 8/28; in hand 9/1; through POE on 10/9 with NO hassles(!).

 

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