"Second" Wedding

[davendale 10]

My wife and I complied with the 90 day marriage as required by the K1 visa rules. 10 months later we were married in a full church wedding because we wanted to be married in the eyes of our church. It was a full blown affair with reception, out of town guests, photographer, everything. My question: would this be considered proper evidence of a bonafide relationship? I would think so, but some of the evidence i have seen in this forum that i thought would be solid turned out not to be so. Thanks for any thoughts on how our church wedding might factor in

[Transborderwife 4,666]

I wouldn't call it the most substantial evidence. Secondary at best.

[Cheezees 1,514]

I wouldn't call it the most substantial evidence. Secondary at best.

I agree. It proves that 2nd ceremony took place. Include photos if you'd like but know that they do not present strong evidence of an ongoing marriage. Good luck!

[Anh map 2,098]

It's one piece of evidence to show that you are living your lives as a married couple. Comingling of finances is a another important thing to show.

[dg2010x 2]

It is evidence, but very weak as it has and can be staged by one or both parties.

having kids , financial, property and liability matters are hard to fabricate and are what should be given more emphasis.

Overemphasising on the wedding or other secondary evidence such as trips could even bring in suspicion.

My wife and I complied with the 90 day marriage as required by the K1 visa rules. 10 months later we were married in a full church wedding because we wanted to be married in the eyes of our church. It was a full blown affair with reception, out of town guests, photographer, everything. My question: would this be considered proper evidence of a bonafide relationship? I would think so, but some of the evidence i have seen in this forum that i thought would be solid turned out not to be so. Thanks for any thoughts on how our church wedding might factor in

[Transborderwife 4,666]

It is evidence, but very weak as it has and can be staged by one or both parties.

having kids , financial, property and liability matters are hard to fabricate and are what should be given more emphasis.

Overemphasising on the wedding or other secondary evidence such as trips could even bring in suspicion.

Kids are not even considered strong evidence for many reasons. Any man and woman can make a baby. As well there's the law of presumed paternity.

[dg2010x 2]

Not true

Making and raising Kids are the strongest evidence.It is what the family has always been about.

From the Horses Mouth here http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-751instr.pdf

it is listed as first item. Obviously order here may but doesn't necessarily imply strength .

however, making kids generally has a lifelong impact.

A man and woman can get into liabilities/financials etc that they can get out off.

of course, some people will just impregnate to fabricate evidence. However, that is where the benefit of doubt may come in especially if there is not a lot of negatives.

obviously, this doesnt mean that couples should feel pressured to have kids.

Kids are not even considered strong evidence for many reasons. Any man and woman can make a baby. As well there's the law of presumed paternity.

Edited October 12, 2015 by dg2010x

[Transborderwife 4,666]

Not true

Making and raising Kids are the strongest evidence.It is what the family has always been about.

From the Horses Mouth here http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/form/i-751instr.pdf

it is listed as first item. Obviously order here may but doesn't necessarily imply strength .

however, making kids generally has a lifelong impact.

A man and woman can get into liabilities/financials etc that they can get out off.

of course, some people will just impregnate to fabricate evidence. However, that is where the benefit of doubt may come in especially if there is not a lot of negatives.

All that it means is that you've had sex. Plus in just about every state, regardless of paternity a child is automatically considered a child of the marriage. I've been through this and it's not as weighty as you think. Does it help? Sure. However many on this site would agree that on the list a child itself as secondary evidence

[Unidentified 2,930]

Transborderwife is right, having kids only proved that you had sex nothing more, nothing less. It's not strong evidence of bona fide marriage.

[madtownguy 164]

The only evidence we submitted of marriage was our marriage certificate, we didn't have a wedding so no wedding photos. We don't have any bills together because I pay for everything. I think we sent 5-7 photos, but I hate being in photos so even after 3 years we probably have less than 10 photos together. We didn't get an RFE for anything related to evidence. Give them what you have and don't worry about it, having more evidence doesn't make a relationship more valid.

[Morningmist 76]

Signing a lease together just means you live as roommates. Business partners own property together. People have left their property to pet canaries or charities.

It doesn't matter what YOU think is bonafide it matters what USCIS thinks and it seems they think having a child together is bonafide otherwise why list it as a number 1 evidence if they do not consider it.

[Ofi & Javy 12]

Kids are a factor but not necessarily the strongest one. If that was the case, why does the spouse have to provide hardship not the child? I had to prove hardship if my spouse was to leave. Told them the kids would suffer and they did not care. All they wanted to know is how I would suffer.

[TeamMmsig 2]

The only evidence we submitted of marriage was our marriage certificate, we didn't have a wedding so no wedding photos. We don't have any bills together because I pay for everything. I think we sent 5-7 photos, but I hate being in photos so even after 3 years we probably have less than 10 photos together. We didn't get an RFE for anything related to evidence. Give them what you have and don't worry about it, having more evidence doesn't make a relationship more valid.

We also dont have much evidence. only have pictures, car insurance with both our names in it, medical card, birth certificate of our son, and ultrasound pic for our upcoming child, tax return 2014, and joint bank accounts. No credit cards or home loans since we live with my parents. Still establishing both our credit card scores since he just started working almost a year ago.. Hopefully this would be enough though.

Good luck to us all! xx

[dg2010x 2]

I agree with you on the sex part. Being a sperm donor will not buy anyone much.

The emphasis is on the raising of kids jointly as a normal family. They may be interested in that.

All that it means is that you've had sex. Plus in just about every state, regardless of paternity a child is automatically considered a child of the marriage. I've been through this and it's not as weighty as you think. Does it help? Sure. However many on this site would agree that on the list a child itself as secondary evidence

[Helpme123 9]

My wife and I complied with the 90 day marriage as required by the K1 visa rules. 10 months later we were married in a full church wedding because we wanted to be married in the eyes of our church. It was a full blown affair with reception, out of town guests, photographer, everything. My question: would this be considered proper evidence of a bonafide relationship? I would think so, but some of the evidence i have seen in this forum that i thought would be solid turned out not to be so. Thanks for any thoughts on how our church wedding might factor in

I did something similar. But didn't bother mentioning it and was approved.