Report rude consular officers

[Boiler 45,525]

It is very difficult to be certain about an individual case, who knows what is really going on when you are just dealing with people hiding behind a made up name on a computer web site, me included.

I have certainly seen patterns over the years, and with some Consulates you wonder how anybody gets a visa.

For some reason over the past few years Ghana seems to have overtaken Nigeria in this respect, I do not seem to remeber seeing so many applications going through, there seems to have been a bubble and with that many more rejections.

Somebody with access to the data could no doubt do a doctoral discussion.

What does make me suspicious is that usually there are very valid reasons, often it seems the reasons have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Are there really so many unusual relationships going through certain Consulates, do we see a distorted vision of what is the norm through that consulate, just seems odd.

[Chaneydic1333 29]

It is very difficult to be certain about an individual case, who knows what is really going on when you are just dealing with people hiding behind a made up name on a computer web site, me included.

I have certainly seen patterns over the years, and with some Consulates you wonder how anybody gets a visa.

For some reason over the past few years Ghana seems to have overtaken Nigeria in this respect, I do not seem to remeber seeing so many applications going through, there seems to have been a bubble and with that many more rejections.

Somebody with access to the data could no doubt do a doctoral discussion.

What does make me suspicious is that usually there are very valid reasons, often it seems the reasons have to be dragged out kicking and screaming. Are there really so many unusual relationships going through certain Consulates, do we see a distorted vision of what is the norm through that consulate, just seems odd.

Really interesting. Anytime I see a denial forum on VJ, I automatically assume it's Ghana. Then boom, very few with legitimate concerns I've seen people from other countries overcome. For Ghana, it seems your hairstyle that day could get you denied and application sent back to uscis.This is highly unusual!

[Boiler 45,525]

Really interesting. Anytime I see a denial forum on VJ, I automatically assume it's Ghana. Then boom, very few with legitimate concerns I've seen people from other countries overcome. For Ghana, it seems your hairstyle that day could get you denied and application sent back to uscis.This is highly unusual!

I certainly do not follow every case, but every one I have seen starts with there was no reason and we had all the proof and then after a few pages the real story starts emerging.

I could of course missed all the 'normal' cases that were declined.

[MrsBonsu 138]

Some cases are normal like they don't feel you've spent enough time together, or they don't see family members in your pics and etc, but others aren't normal for instance my case when the co is trying to CONVINCE me that because my husband is Muslim that he is already probably married with kids that she see's it all the time the women that come there for a interview, but on my flight home I sat next to a women who had a interview with her fiancee that same week and they actually had proof on paper that her fiancee was already married! So how is it my fault again that I felt the co was unprofessional and I thought she was lying to me??

[Boiler 45,525]

There is a thread running now, so turns out she filed a K1 for him despite having not met in the previous 2 years and then appealed the denial.

Then went to Ghana for a month, married came back and filed for a CR1.

[HFM181818 750]

there would be no point in drawing a specific road map for people to follow, or else fraudulent documents would be generated by the carload. A generic list is better, making the interview more important, no matter what country. Bottom line: Ghana is not Sweden.

[NEWLOVE13 21]

well, whateverrrr, in my own made history book, he is my hero.lol...yes I agree thats wrong but in the long run, the point is, we all deserve fair and decent treatment by some of these consular officers and also some consideration

how is he your hero when he came here and killed many native Americans and Africans please choose your words

[NEWLOVE13 21]

VWP = Visa Waiver Program.

Your perception of 'rudeness' is your own....in my experience, people who have called me or my colleagues rude were only those who didn't qualify for a visa....they believe (erroneously) that a CO must believe every word and every paper said or presented....they don't. Just because you say something does not make it true, and a CO is not rude for not believing you....after all, none of us know how you or your husband presented their case...we have only your version....

In my experience, when someone is denied, even temporarily, and asked about it by their spouse, finance or 'friends', the typical response attempts to cast aspersions on the CO, putting the entire blame on that person instead of themselves.

Becoming a CO is not as simple as filling out an application form and fogging a mirror....less than 2% of original applicant pool succeed, by passing a series of written and oral exams that weed out lots of people...then follows weeks of intense training, followed by on the job training and experience, preceded by a length presentation about the country they are about to be assigned...regarding that country's economy, political climate, and yes, fraud rate. They don't go into the field unprepared.

USCIS does not interview the two parties in most cases...the petition approval standards are quite low, and they leave it to the COs to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

oh wow thtats good to know

[HFM181818 750]

While many cases in a given country are quite similar, it is up to the trained consular officer to adjudicate, as best as possible, the merits of a case....everyone believes or claims that their case is the bona fide one...we only hear a small fraction of the real story....but at the end of the day, only a CO is empowered to either approve a case or declare it 'not clearly approvable' and send it back to USCIS with a carefully drafted, detailed letter explaining where the deficiencies are. A CO cannot just ship a case back without a cover letter that outlines, if not itemize, the reasons why it was not clearly approvable. Few details are usually given to the beneficiary or petitioner, as that becomes the responsibility of USCIS when they receive the case.

When someone has worked in a country in which fraud (in all forms) is rampant, relative to, say, western Europe, one develops a high degree of healthy skepticism, which is really necessary in order to prevent merely rubber stamping every case that comes along.

Admittedly, lots of people may be unhappy that their case wasn't rubber stamped, but COs should not be making decisions to hand over green cards lightly...but they do have rules and policies to follow...the system is not perfect, for a variety of reasons, but whining about it won't make bend in the direction many people want....instead, based on recent events, the bar has been raised considerably in many parts of the world.

[MrsBonsu 138]

While many cases in a given country are quite similar, it is up to the trained consular officer to adjudicate, as best as possible, the merits of a case....everyone believes or claims that their case is the bona fide one...we only hear a small fraction of the real story....but at the end of the day, only a CO is empowered to either approve a case or declare it 'not clearly approvable' and send it back to USCIS with a carefully drafted, detailed letter explaining where the deficiencies are. A CO cannot just ship a case back without a cover letter that outlines, if not itemize, the reasons why it was not clearly approvable. Few details are usually given to the beneficiary or petitioner, as that becomes the responsibility of USCIS when they receive the case.

When someone has worked in a country in which fraud (in all forms) is rampant, relative to, say, western Europe, one develops a high degree of healthy skepticism, which is really necessary in order to prevent merely rubber stamping every case that comes along.

Admittedly, lots of people may be unhappy that their case wasn't rubber stamped, but COs should not be making decisions to hand over green cards lightly...but they do have rules and policies to follow...the system is not perfect, for a variety of reasons, but whining about it won't make bend in the direction many people want....instead, based on recent events, the bar has been raised considerably in many parts of the world.

You've been on the inside looking out? Have you ever thought about looking in? Not everyone gets approved and that's fine if there are legitimate reasons why, but until you've dealt with a consular that gives you vague answers and acts rude towards a petitioner and she tells you she feels or believe in a sentence to direct questions one tends to wonder why would a consular act this why, there was nothing vague about my answers to her questions and neither was my husband we have nothing to hide

[HFM181818 750]

I believe that our respective reference points are far different - you are talking about one case, which doesn't really provide any experience in this area....I've dealt with tens of thousands...

claims of rudeness are so frequent (following any kind of denial, whether temporary [221g] or more long lasting, as when a case is shipped back to USCIS...) that they no longer merit much attention...such claims accomplish nothing, cannot be proved (most are merely a perception by the unhappy applicant) and are more than likely based on a lack of understanding of the adjudication process specific to a particular country....high fraud countries get more scrutiny; low fraud countries less....because experience has shown that to do otherwise is very unwise.

While many prefer to blame COs (or label them as rude) they forget that it was (and is) their own countrymen who have brought about most of the skepticism and scrutiny of visa cases....I cannot recall, for example, any case involving a French citizen in which they attempted to substitute a child that was not their own in order to get that child an undeserved green card and reunite said child with their illegal parents living in the US...but I have dealt with hundreds of cases from developing countries that did indeed have this particular problem....and not surprisingly, marriage fraud (or at least the strong appearance of same) was also rampant in those same cultures....but it is certain that no CO ever brought these situations about on their own.....no, it was the citizens of that developing country who generated skepticism on the part of COs by engaging in some sort of visa malfeasance....and that is the view from the inside looking out....

Edited December 9, 2015 by HFM181818