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Hello Friends:

Some background: My fiancee had his interview in Dakar on September 23, 2015. He was given the white sheet invoking 221(g). No request for further documentation, simply "your application requires further administrative processing, if you don't hear from us within 60 days you can contact us at X." Then there was another box checked stating that they will call him for another interview.

I was upset by this, but tried not to panic as the paper did not state that the Embassy was returning the petition to the USCIS. Well, I was wrong. I received an e-mail on the 28th stating the following:

Thank you for your email. According to our records indicate that the petition is in the process of being returned to the Department of Homeland Security Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) with a recommendation that the petition be revoked (annulled) as of Sept. 23, 2015. According to protocol, a written report is sent along with the petition with the details. Unfortunately, once the petition reaches that stage, the consular section can no longer provide further information, status updates or continue receiving information on the case. Please contact USCIS National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283 (1-800-767-1833 for TTY calls) to inquire about the status of your petition. When you call please specify the type of petition that was filed (I-130, I-129, I-129f, I-140, I-730, I-600). Please allow at least 6 weeks for the petition to be transferred and processed by USCIS.

Please see below the letter that was sent to the address on file:

Section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) prohibits a consular officer from issuing a visa to an alien if the consular officer has reason to believe that the alien is ineligible. Based on indications that the petition you filed contains inaccurate information, or that the beneficiary is otherwise unqualified for the requested status, we are returning it to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) for review and possible revocation. If CIS determines that the information we are providing constitutes sufficient foundation for initiating revocation proceedings, you will be sent a notice of intent to revoke that includes a statement of facts and evidence and you will have the opportunity to respond. Under INA 222(f), which addresses the confidentiality of visa records, we are unable to provide any further details.

Once, the file reaches NVC, you have an option to request that the case be reaffirmed. NVC will make that decision, if you choose to go that route. With all due respect, please do not send anymore emails to the Dakar email address, as we cannot provide additional details.

If I wasn't so upset I would laugh because the e-mail from USEM Dakar was in response to my e-mail sent A MONTH AGO trying to update a postal box number.

My questions:

1. Any thoughts as to why the USEM didn't just tell my fiancee that his file will be sent back the day of the interview? If he was found ineligible, why wasn't he given any waiver forms?

2. Will my petition just die a slow death (allowed to expire) at USCIS? If so, how will this affect a CR1 application if I just go ahead and marry my fiancee? I've read that I must respond to anything related to this K1, even if I begin a new application.

3. I need to find out why the K-1 was sent back so I can address those issues in a subsequent CR1 application. If the petition is allowed to expire, will I still be allowed to see the Consular notes, or do I have to file a FOIA?

Sigh. What a depressing mess. Thanks for reading my tale of woe.

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Morocco
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As all here will tell you, when your application is sent back to USCIS, it is allowed to die the slow death. allowed to expire.

Nothing you can do as they don't review them and allow you to do RFE at this point

The first time you apply should be the ONLY time you need to apply. Do your research, see why the consulate rejected couples in the past, then avoid repeating the same mistakes. If the consulate expects a formal engagement, or multiple trips, or a long courtship... do what is needed before you submit your petition. And make sure you provide abundant and believable proof that that there is no fraud, that you are a pure, genuine, "bone fide" couple planning a future life together.

If denied, your only effective option is to start over, repeating the ENTIRE process again. You must do a better job this time. On the plus side you have more longevity in your relationship, you have more evidences, and the fact you are persisting and trying again adds to your credibility.

You could ask your Congressman to help get an explanation of why you were denied. I have seen this done, but usually with no worthwhile results. Generally the answer obtained is "they were not believed to be bone fide", full stop.

A better use of your Congressman is to contact him once your fiancee's second interview is scheduled, tell him the details of your case, explain how sincere and bone fide your relationship is, and ask for his help.

This usually results in an email from his office to the consulate a few days before the interview, advising that the Congressman is personally interested in your case, and asking the consulate to advise the results after the interview. This is not a message from the Congressman endorsing your case. But it serves to put the consular reviewing officer on notice that should the case be denied, he will be expected to report a solid, documented reason. Many cases are rejected based upon the "intuition" of the reviewing officer. The expectation that detailed written documentation will be needed in case of denial tends to influence the consulate reviewer to find a solid reason for denial, and if he is unable to do so, then to approve.

Posted

Thanks for the input, it's much appreciated. In hindsight, I should have done more research and added more to the file. But I can't go back in time so I have to start over, as you said.

Follow up question: Obviously I will disclose the K-1 visa application if I decide to file a CR1 petition, but if the K-1 visa petition is simply just allowed to expire, is anything negative (other than the fact that the petition was sent back to USCIS) put in the file?

Posted

Interesting comment about a CO's "intuition." We all know the guidance COs receive is to not readjudicate petitions on the basis that they would have personally arrived at a different conclusion than the USCIS (i.e., not approving the petition). But from what I'm reading, they seem to do this fairly frequently, more so in certain parts of the world.

I am thinking about getting an attorney the second time around to review and advise on how I should better document my petition.

Filed: IR-1/CR-1 Visa Country: Morocco
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Posted

we were denied the K 1 and went thru the entire process of CR 1

in opinion of most of us here, an attorney is waste of money

i had one for CR 1 / no help at all

i did my own appeal and won

don't worry about the K 1 showing up in packet

Just do the new application and "front load" your evidence

if you do go to marry, take with you the application for CR 1 and the new biographies.

Take photos of you and her, you and her family

they really don't look at chats but they require them

send 123 greeting cards by email / you can print out the fromt page of them ( don't do the dark colors as can't read the writing on them)

Photos, photos, photos

affidavits from family (need to know how to do one, ask me in personal message)

Good luck

Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Jamaica
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Posted (edited)

Hello Friends:

Some background: My fiancee had his interview in Dakar on September 23, 2015. He was given the white sheet invoking 221(g). No request for further documentation, simply "your application requires further administrative processing, if you don't hear from us within 60 days you can contact us at X." Then there was another box checked stating that they will call him for another interview.

I was upset by this, but tried not to panic as the paper did not state that the Embassy was returning the petition to the USCIS. Well, I was wrong. I received an e-mail on the 28th stating the following:

Thank you for your email. According to our records indicate that the petition is in the process of being returned to the Department of Homeland Security Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) with a recommendation that the petition be revoked (annulled) as of Sept. 23, 2015. According to protocol, a written report is sent along with the petition with the details. Unfortunately, once the petition reaches that stage, the consular section can no longer provide further information, status updates or continue receiving information on the case. Please contact USCIS National Customer Service Center at 1-800-375-5283 (1-800-767-1833 for TTY calls) to inquire about the status of your petition. When you call please specify the type of petition that was filed (I-130, I-129, I-129f, I-140, I-730, I-600). Please allow at least 6 weeks for the petition to be transferred and processed by USCIS.

Please see below the letter that was sent to the address on file:

Section 221(g) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) prohibits a consular officer from issuing a visa to an alien if the consular officer has reason to believe that the alien is ineligible. Based on indications that the petition you filed contains inaccurate information, or that the beneficiary is otherwise unqualified for the requested status, we are returning it to the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS) for review and possible revocation. If CIS determines that the information we are providing constitutes sufficient foundation for initiating revocation proceedings, you will be sent a notice of intent to revoke that includes a statement of facts and evidence and you will have the opportunity to respond. Under INA 222(f), which addresses the confidentiality of visa records, we are unable to provide any further details.

Once, the file reaches NVC, you have an option to request that the case be reaffirmed. NVC will make that decision, if you choose to go that route. With all due respect, please do not send anymore emails to the Dakar email address, as we cannot provide additional details.

If I wasn't so upset I would laugh because the e-mail from USEM Dakar was in response to my e-mail sent A MONTH AGO trying to update a postal box number.

My questions:

1. Any thoughts as to why the USEM didn't just tell my fiancee that his file will be sent back the day of the interview? If he was found ineligible, why wasn't he given any waiver forms?

2. Will my petition just die a slow death (allowed to expire) at USCIS? If so, how will this affect a CR1 application if I just go ahead and marry my fiancee? I've read that I must respond to anything related to this K1, even if I begin a new application.

3. I need to find out why the K-1 was sent back so I can address those issues in a subsequent CR1 application. If the petition is allowed to expire, will I still be allowed to see the Consular notes, or do I have to file a FOIA?

Sigh. What a depressing mess. Thanks for reading my tale of woe.

I don't have any experience in this area, but I did notice this sentence in their email to you. Is it possible there was a misrepresentation or false info given? Or is this just a generic answer? It might help to try to find out before refiling so that can be addressed.

Edited by LionessDeon
Filed: AOS (apr) Country: Cyprus
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Posted

Sorry about the refusal and return to USCIS.

Yes, the K1 will expire and you are free to marry and file a CR1.

Co's notes will be in the file but that won't matter.

If there was a misrepresentation he would have received a 221g letter marked as such. Ask your fiance to scan the 221g letter.

What did the questions center on ? How much face time did you have, how many visits for how long ?

Did he ever apply for a tourist visa and if so did he answer all questions honestly ? They cross check the data.

Did you front load the petition ? Front load the next one.

Spoiler

 

I-129F Sent : 3-31-2014, NOA2: 4-6-2014

NVC Received : some dinkelsberry yehoo in the house of clingons send our petition to the wrong consulate.

Consulate Received : July 30,2014 Transfer to right embassy complete.

Interview Date : Oct 22, 2014

Interview Result : AP , requesting another PC (not expired) and certified divorce decree (was submitted)Stokes interview via phone for petitioner 4 hrs after interview.

Oct 23 email notification visa approved.
Visa Received : Nov. 3 , 2014 VISA IN HAND.

US Entry : Nov. 21, 2014

Marriage : Dec 27, 2014

AOS send : May 12, 2015, received May 14, 2015 USPS priority

Email &text : May 18, 2015, check cashed May 19,2015, return receipt May 21, 2015 stamped USCIS Lockbox, NOA1 (3x) May 22,2015

Biometrics : June 1, 2015 letter received for appointment June 8, 2015, successful walk-in June 1, 2015

RFE : June 12, 2015 for income not meeting guideline. Income does ( ! ) exceed guideline.

RFE response : June 26, 2015 returned with a boat load full of financial evidence.

UPDATE: July 5, 2015 updated on all 3 cases, RFE received June 30, 2015.

Service request : Aug 12, 2015, letter received that it will be processed within 90 days from receipt of RFE.

UPDATE: Aug 24, 2015, EAD card being produced/ordered. ( 102 days from AOS receipt day and 55 days from RFE response received.) Thank you Jesus !

Emails : Aug 24, 2015, EAD approved, EAD card ordered.

I-797 EAD/AP approval notice received : Aug 27, 2015

EAD/AP combo card mailed : Aug 27, 2015, EAD/AP combo card received: Aug 31, 2015

Renewal application send for EAD/AP : May 31,2016 (AOS pending over 1 year). Received June 2, 2016,Notice date June7, 2016, emails,texts, NOA1 hard copy

Service request for pending AOS April 21, 2016, case not assigned yet.
Service request for pending AOS June 14, 2016, tier 2 said performing background checks.
Expedite request for EAD/AP Aug 3, 2016, Aug10 notification >request was received, assigned, completed. RFE letter requesting evidence for expedite, docs faxed Aug18

*Service request for I-485 Aug 3, 2016, Aug11 notification> request was assigned. Service request Dec 2, 2016.
AOS Interview letter received Aug 12, 2016

AOS Interview September 21, 2016.

Second Biometrics appointment letters received for EAD and AOS on Aug 15, 2016 for Aug 17 ( 2 day notice).

Second Biometrics completed Aug 17, 2016

Third Biometrics appointment letter received Aug 19, 2016 for Sept. 1, 2016. WTH ?!

EAD/AP (renewal) approval Aug 22, 2016, NOA2 received Aug 25, 2016

Renewal EAD in production notification text and online, expedite successful 4 days after RFE request response was faxed, Aug25mailed,Aug29received.

Sept. 21 Interview, 2 hour interview, we were separated and asked about 50 questions each for an hour each. IO was firm but professional, some smiles.
Several service requests made, contacted Senator and Ombudsman. Background checks still pending.
July 21, 2017 HOME VISIT.  Went well. Topic thread in AOS forum.
Waiting to skip ROC and get 10 yr GC due to over 2 year while pending AOS
AOS APPROVED Oct. 4, 2017 * Green card in hand Oct 13, 2017 !!!!!

First K1 denied after 16 month of AP. Refiled. We are a couple since 2009. Not a sprint but a matter of endurance.

 

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Hi. The questions centered around how we communicate (methods and language) and a few questions about my divorce. We've seen each 3 times in the past year, total of more than two months.

No, he has never applied for a tourist visa. I know his brother so I'm fairly certain that would have come to light if he had. I apparently didn't front load enough. A mistake I will not repeat.

221g letter did not indicate any misrepresentation. No waiver forms were given, just the standard "your case is in AP. We will call you."

  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

Yes, he answered all the questions. He even knew the exact date of my divorce.

I contacted my congressman right away and his office responded promptly and are trying to help. I even went to the embassy and spoke with the actual CO that interviewed my fiance. The look on his face....Of course he couldn't tell me much, and I won't share my impression of him as this is a public forum, but let's just say he wasn't empathetic.

 
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