Defense: Shooter's dad was never told he couldn't have guns

[Sousuke 1,214]

Prosecutors told jurors Tuesday that the father of the teenager who shot and killed four classmates and himself repeatedly lied on forms to illegally buy firearms. But the father's lawyer countered the man underwent multiple background checks and was never told he was barred from having guns.

Raymond Fryberg is charged with illegally owning the handgun his son, Jaylen, used last year in the Marysville-Pilchuck High School shootings. Prosecutors say Fryberg was the subject of a 2002 domestic-violence protection order, making it illegal for him to have that handgun and the nine rifles found in his possession.

During opening statements, Assistant U.S. Attorney Bruce Miyake told the jury Fryberg pleaded no contest in 2012 to violating that protection order. Fryberg bought the guns by answering "no" to a question on a firearms form about whether he was the subject of such an order.....

....On tribal hunting trips, Fryberg was stopped by game wardens who also ran his name through databases, "and they all came back negative," Browne said. "Now we have 10 to 15 occasions where he was told by authorities he was not prohibited from having firearms."

Browne said the problem started with the protection order, which was sought by Fryberg's former girlfriend, Jamie Gobin.

A judge granted Gobin the permanent order because Fryberg never appeared at a hearing to contest it. However, the defense contended Fryberg was never notified about the hearing.

The officer who claimed to notify Fryberg was married to Gobin's sister and reported serving the notice at a nonexistent address, Browne said.

Edited September 23, 2015 by Sousuke

[decocker 7,198]

Fryberg was the subject of a 2002 domestic-violence protection order, making it illegal for him to have that handgun and the nine rifles found in his possession.

Fryberg bought the guns by answering "no" to a question on a firearms form about whether he was the subject of such an order.....

so, there aren't any checks to verify checked or unchecked boxes? i don't get it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well that worked well.

[Sousuke 1,214]

so, there aren't any checks to verify checked or unchecked boxes? i don't get it.

More than that, he apparently didn't even know he had an order against him

[decocker 7,198]

More than that, he apparently didn't even know he had an order against him

how in the world does one have a permanent order of protection against them and no one knows about it? little bit scary...

[Teddy B 17,252]

how in the world does one have a permanent order of protection against them and no one knows about it? little bit scary...

Browne said the problem started with the protection order, which was sought by Fryberg's former girlfriend, Jamie Gobin.

A judge granted Gobin the permanent order because Fryberg never appeared at a hearing to contest it. However, the defense contended Fryberg was never notified about the hearing.

The officer who claimed to notify Fryberg was married to Gobin's sister and reported serving the notice at a nonexistent address, Browne said.

[decocker 7,198]

i don't know how many times in my life i've had a summons taped to my door for people that i don't know...

or had bounty hunter types interrogate me about strangers as i leave my house.

such is the perils of renting and moving frequently i guess.

[Sousuke 1,214]

i don't know how many times in my life i've had a summons taped to my door for people that i don't know...

or had bounty hunter types interrogate me about strangers as i leave my house.

such is the perils of renting and moving frequently i guess.

Bounty Hunter!!!!

I think you have a secret double life.

The worst I've ever had was a debt collector looking for the person that had my mobile number before me. Debt was sold at least 4 times to different collectors...

Edited September 23, 2015 by Sousuke

[decocker 7,198]

Bounty Hunter!!!!

I think you have a secret double life.

i might be exaggerating a little. just regular bail bondsmen? i dont' know. but it's a pretty intimidating experience. they're always in regular clothes and walk up all nonchalant, and ask if you know where so and so is..and of course they don't believe you if you don't even know who so and so is..

[Sousuke 1,214]

i might be exaggerating a little. just regular bail bondsmen? i dont' know. but it's a pretty intimidating experience. they're always in regular clothes and walk up all nonchalant, and ask if you know where so and so is..and of course they don't believe you if you don't even know who so and so is..

That was true with the debt collectors too. The original company kept calling on a daily basis and refused to take me off the list. This went on for weeks. Finally I started making a game of it. When they would call I would pretend to be an animal like a cat, or I would start talking about conspiracies.

[Expat1 971]

This would be really relevant if this guy was the shooter, not a relative of the shooter. Which part of the constitution says we prosecute relatives instead of the person who commits the crime?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's perhaps somewhat meaningful that the illegally purchased gun was used to commit the crime...

[Expat1 971]

Seems it was legally purchased since the purchase was cleared by no less than the all-knowing FBI

In a statement, Cabela's said it "strictly complies with federal, state and local laws regulating the sale of firearms. Cabela's records indicate the transaction was processed in compliance with applicable regulations, including background checks."

Looks like a legal purchase.

Edited September 25, 2015 by Expat1