Britain will accept 'thousands more' Syrian refugees

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm not sure I follow your "logic". How is this American's mess, exactly?

The Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS is a direct result of the war in Iraq. Just as the Khmer Rouge takepver amd subsequent genocide was a direct result of American bombing of cambodia during Vietnam.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You need to take a few million ...Even more ... Open borders seems to be fine with you folks for the United States. ... Should be fine for you Brits also. .. You go first.

The 10 million-plus refugees from the fighting throughout the Middle East are in the need of a home . Give it a good try old chap....Just let who ever wants to come ... come.

I already said we need to take more. Sadly I am not in a position of power to determine immigration policy, my conscience just tells me that if you caused the problem you should pay for it.

Direct question you now - What do you think about the the people fleeing Syria? Should they be protected by the west and given sanctuary, or should they be sent back?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

The Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS is a direct result of the war in Iraq. Just as the Khmer Rouge takepver amd subsequent genocide was a direct result of American bombing of cambodia during Vietnam.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. We will never know what may have happened if the US had not been involved in Iraq. It is fairly safe to assume that had they not gone after the terrorists that attacked on 9/11, said attacks would have kept happening. Terrorists do not understand tolerance nor mercy; they only understand force and greater force.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Absolutely. Definitively. A direct result.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

So you can say with 100% certainty that ISIS would not exist today had America not gone to war with Iraq?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Given that a lot of their top commanders are ex Iraqi army, I'd say that's a silly question.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

No, it's not a silly question. Just a simple mind trying to comprehend a world outside his/her own. Allow me to assist.

Even if America had not gone to war with Iraq, ISIS would most likely be around today, doing the same things they are doing now. Why? It's their way. Their belief that they are the only ones who are right, and that anyone who does not believe as they do deserve to die. And furthermore, if they kill said infidels, or die trying to kill them, then they are PROMISED (no way that can be wrong) that they will get a bunch of virgins when they get to heaven. (Disregarding for a moment that there may be no heaven, those who actually make it there are those who do good, not those who live to kill and destroy)

Only a very short-sighted person, or someone with their head in the sand about muslim extremists, would postulate that ISIS would not exist today if the US had not fought in Iraq. ::boggles::

[Póg mo 1,749]

No, it's not a silly question. Just a simple mind trying to comprehend a world outside his/her own. Allow me to assist.

Even if America had not gone to war with Iraq, ISIS would most likely be around today, doing the same things they are doing now. Why? It's their way.

What the hell? You really believe that? It's almost like you have brain washed yourself. I wonder why someone might do that?

Only a very short-sighted person, or someone with their head in the sand about muslim extremists, would postulate that ISIS would not exist today if the US had not fought in Iraq. ::boggles::

So, what if a guy had an astigmatism? Could he see it?

[JohnR! 5,495]

Sadly it seems the other poster does believe in that nonsense, so much so s/he is repeating it, verbatim, just like s/he heard it from the talking heads.

What the hell? You really believe that? It's almost like you have brain washed yourself. I wonder why someone might do that?
So, what if a guy had an astigmatism? Could he see it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

No, it's not a silly question. Just a simple mind trying to comprehend a world outside his/her own. Allow me to assist.

Even if America had not gone to war with Iraq, ISIS would most likely be around today, doing the same things they are doing now. Why? It's their way. Their belief that they are the only ones who are right, and that anyone who does not believe as they do deserve to die. And furthermore, if they kill said infidels, or die trying to kill them, then they are PROMISED (no way that can be wrong) that they will get a bunch of virgins when they get to heaven. (Disregarding for a moment that there may be no heaven, those who actually make it there are those who do good, not those who live to kill and destroy)

Only a very short-sighted person, or someone with their head in the sand about muslim extremists, would postulate that ISIS would not exist today if the US had not fought in Iraq. ::boggles::

ISIS started as Al Qaeda in Iraq.... Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq prior to the US led invasion...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sadly it seems the other poster does believe in that nonsense, so much so s/he is repeating it, verbatim, just like s/he heard it from the talking heads.

There are still people who believe that GWB didn't lie about WMD and that he was misled by bad intelligence... Rather than deliberately selecting bad intelligence to support a predetermined policy for war.

[Rob L 3,811]

No, it's not a silly question. Just a simple mind trying to comprehend a world outside his/her own. Allow me to assist.

Even if America had not gone to war with Iraq, ISIS would most likely be around today, doing the same things they are doing now. Why? It's their way. Their belief that they are the only ones who are right, and that anyone who does not believe as they do deserve to die. And furthermore, if they kill said infidels, or die trying to kill them, then they are PROMISED (no way that can be wrong) that they will get a bunch of virgins when they get to heaven. (Disregarding for a moment that there may be no heaven, those who actually make it there are those who do good, not those who live to kill and destroy)

Only a very short-sighted person, or someone with their head in the sand about muslim extremists, would postulate that ISIS would not exist today if the US had not fought in Iraq. ::boggles::

There is a profound lack of understanding, even among some very educated folks, as to what ISIS is really about

this article will provide one a starting point better opportunity to educate themselves on the subtleties of ISIS

http://www.forbes.com/sites/lorenthompson/2015/02/26/five-reasons-the-isis-fight-isnt-about-islam/

Edited September 7, 2015 by Rob L

[Rob L 3,811]

Given that a lot of their top commanders are ex Iraqi army, I'd say that's a silly question.

I disagree, it is not necessarily a silly question. The causes for the rise of ISIS are more that the Iraqi war.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I disagree, it is not necessarily a silly question. The causes for the rise of ISIS are more that the Iraqi war.

Again, ISIS started as Al Qaeda in Iraq - arising largely from the power vaccuum created by the removal of saddam and the disbandment of the Iraqi army.

If that's not the full picture, it's certainly a pretty big piece of the puzzle.

Edited September 7, 2015 by Trumplestiltskin

[Expat1 971]

The source of sectarian violence between ISIS (Sunni) and the current Iraqi government (Shia) and between Assad in Syria (Shia) and the majority Sunnis in Syria predate all of us. Sunni/Shia conflict have nothing to do with Bush.

Arab Spring which had nothing to do with the Iraqi war was when the Syrian uprising began. Bush had nothing to do with that either. Obama Hussein was president. It's Obama's fault.

Edited September 7, 2015 by Trumplestiksin