Dutch politician: If Mohammed were alive in the Netherlands today, I would propose he be tarred and feathered

[Alex+R 0]

I think most people want to live peacefully with one another. I do not think there is anybody here who does not.

Unlike some of us Steve + Alex , I am not going to sit here and wait to be attacked when there are groups out there making daily threats.. These groups have proven that they do not joke around and are literally dead serious with their threats.

Weird, I guess I just never considered unfounded hatred of all followers of one religion to be the best way to prevent attacks.

How is your uninformed hatred saving America from terrorism?

This post will answer that

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=752803

How?

[Saddle Bronc 124]

Ok, then, please explain which part of Islam is sophisticated and which part isn't. Is it the ideology? The implementation (hardly), or the infrastructure (how can a religion have infrastructure?)

The religion may not, but the countries which (claim to) use it as a basis do.

Many of these actually have pretty lousy infrastructure (which hasn't moved forward in sometime).

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

"No other movement, not even Fascism or Communism, has been so determined to conquer the world and rule with such rigid, detailed, complete control over the day-to-day activities of the lives of everyone on the planet. Islam has a multi-pronged plan in place to accomplish this goal, and it is being implemented with increasing success throughout the world. Islam seeks to make the rest of the world become just like it: squalid, backward, and primitive. "

If Islam has this sophisticated, elaborate multi-pronged plan to take over the world, how can it be at the same time backward and primitive?

There is a difference between ideologies and implementation methods.

May sound tangential to you (but isn't): the Burmese military, for example, has very sophisticated (maybe not in comparison to US?) mil hardware, mostly from its northern neighbour China--but Burma's infrastructure is quite backward.

Ok, then, please explain which part of Islam is sophisticated and which part isn't. Is it the ideology? The implementation (hardly), or the infrastructure (how can a religion have infrastructure?)

Infrastructure is kind of important for a stable society. You can't have progress without established governmental/civil/educational institutions - why do you think there are so many problems in the 3rd world? Without these things there is a tendency to fall back on ideology to fill the gap.

[Heracles 417]

How?

It is called self preservation. It was actually your buddies, during the 90's, who took their words to lightly leading up to 9/11. The fact is a lot of Muslims around the world have to learn to live with others..

There are Muslims living in the UK, as we speak, teaching and spreading death and hatred against England and it's citizens. How can you seriously sit here any pretend that is not happening or is a positive thing. I am sure the same is happening in your Michigans etc. We just do not hear about it..

[Alex+R 0]

How?

It is called self preservation. It was actually your buddies, during the 90's, who took their words to lightly leading up to 9/11. The fact is a lot of Muslims around the world have to learn to live with others..

There are Muslims living in the UK, as we speak, teaching and spreading death and hatred against England and it's citizens. How can you seriously sit here any pretend that is not happening or is a positive thing. I am sure the same is happening in your Michigans etc. We just do not hear about it..

I have no idea what you're talking about. When has anyone said that there hasn't been violence? Clearly nobody has said it's a positive thing.

I won't even go into the Clinton administration with you.

[Heracles 417]

Infrastructure is kind of important for a stable society. You can't have progress without established governmental/civil/educational institutions - why do you think there are so many problems in the 3rd world? Without these things there is a tendency to fall back on ideology to fill the gap.

Well then obviously there are people out there, with their own agenda, who do not want to this to happen as they are continually blowing it up.

[Caladan 19]

Oh please. A list of conflicts with Muslims where half the participating countries identify as Christian is just a dumb way to try to make the case that all Muslims are engaged in jihad.

[Heracles 417]

I won't even go into the Clinton administration with you.

9/11 was planned during that period. It is as simple as that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Infrastructure is kind of important for a stable society. You can't have progress without established governmental/civil/educational institutions - why do you think there are so many problems in the 3rd world? Without these things there is a tendency to fall back on ideology to fill the gap.

Well then obviously there are people out there, with their own agenda, who do not want to this to happen as they are continually blowing it up.

Hmmmm no - that's not what I said. To summarise - a poor governmental/civil infrastructure with few national institutions creates the conditions for this kind of thing.

[Saddle Bronc 124]

I won't even go into the Clinton administration with you.

9/11 was planned during that period. It is as simple as that.

Are you sure about that (as opposed to Bush Sr., Reagan or Carter admin timeframe)?

[Heracles 417]

Oh please. A list of conflicts with Muslims where half the participating countries identify as Christian is just a dumb way to try to make the case that all Muslims are engaged in jihad.

Who is the instigator? They obviously cannot get along with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and definitely not Atheists as they hate them the most..

[peezey 0]

So then Christianity is to blame for all the black people killed by the KKK and for all the jews killed in the Holocaust as well?

Wake up and smell the coffee. Some people are just whacked and their religion has nothing to do with it. they hijack it to serve their own purpose.

How many Christians support the KKK? How many condemn it?

How many Imams condemn what their brothers are doing around the world?? How many Muslims have come out and said your actions are against the teaching of Allah!!??

So, your idea is that while most Christians are against the KKK, most Muslims are FOR terrorist acts being used against the US? Even American Muslims?

You can freely criticize Christians without getting 600 death threats. You probably won't even get one.

The Dutch politician says he and his wife have received more than 600 death threats because of opposition to Islam

Jackazzes are on Fox News and World Net Daily criticizing Islam all the time, not a single one has come out with an admission they've been threatened with death. And you know those fools would be the first to do so, loudly.

[peezey 0]

Ok, then, please explain which part of Islam is sophisticated and which part isn't. Is it the ideology? The implementation (hardly), or the infrastructure (how can a religion have infrastructure?)

The religion may not, but the countries which (claim to) use it as a basis do.

Many of these actually have pretty lousy infrastructure (which hasn't moved forward in sometime).

You're missing the point. How is it Islam can be credited with some hugely elaborate and sophisticated plan? No one is arguing limited infrastructure in Muslim countries, but what about the rest? Where are the sophisticated weapons and military? What is this multipronged plan?

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

I believe Mohammad invented Islam for his own political (including warfare) ways.

Unfortunately that’s not really a satisfactory answer when discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of a particular ideology. Extremist Ideology are not separate from the broader social / historical context.

At least I gave an answer. Something you rarely attempt.

[peezey 0]

How?

It is called self preservation. It was actually your buddies, during the 90's, who took their words to lightly leading up to 9/11. The fact is a lot of Muslims around the world have to learn to live with others..

There are Muslims living in the UK, as we speak, teaching and spreading death and hatred against England and it's citizens. How can you seriously sit here any pretend that is not happening or is a positive thing. I am sure the same is happening in your Michigans etc. We just do not hear about it..

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Who has said violence doesn't exist? Who is pretending it doesn't exist? We just choose not to blanket 1.6 billion people with the vitriolic ignorant hatred you do.

Oh please. A list of conflicts with Muslims where half the participating countries identify as Christian is just a dumb way to try to make the case that all Muslims are engaged in jihad.

Who is the instigator? They obviously cannot get along with Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist and definitely not Atheists as they hate them the most..

Oh, they can't? Your ignorance is astounding. That you think this has everything to do with religion and nothing to do with oppression and differing political ideologies is remarkable.