Anna this, Anna that

[Mags 112]

Like pirhanas feeding on chum,

You may not have liked what kind of persona she put forth, but none of you knew her, and she was a human being. Regardless how you feel, I find it remarkable how you're all ok with kicking a woman after she's dead.

But hey, if it gives you a well needed boost of superiority to mock and disrespect a dead woman, then nowt I can really say to stop that, eh?

As usual, I agree with Lisa...

Let the poor woman rest in peace.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Like pirhanas feeding on chum,

You may not have liked what kind of persona she put forth, but none of you knew her, and she was a human being. Regardless how you feel, I find it remarkable how you're all ok with kicking a woman after she's dead.

But hey, if it gives you a well needed boost of superiority to mock and disrespect a dead woman, then nowt I can really say to stop that, eh?

And here I was thinking that the comments in this thread, were (by and large) a far cry from what was posted around the time of the death. You’re just pointing this out now… the horse has already bolted through the open door

Perhaps the news people should stop harping on the story, for which bizarrely there continues to be a large amount of coverage and treating this woman as though she were a saint or something.

It’s the Diana syndrome all over again...

[Fandango 1,439]

Like pirhanas feeding on chum,

You may not have liked what kind of persona she put forth, but none of you knew her, and she was a human being. Regardless how you feel, I find it remarkable how you're all ok with kicking a woman after she's dead.

But hey, if it gives you a well needed boost of superiority to mock and disrespect a dead woman, then nowt I can really say to stop that, eh?

And here I was thinking that the comments in this thread, were (by and large) a far cry from what was posted around the time of the death. You’re just pointing this out now… the horse has already bolted through the open door

Perhaps the news people should stop harping on the story, for which bizarrely there continues to be a large amount of coverage and treating this woman as though she were a saint or something.

It’s the Diana syndrome all over again...

Try verifying info before saying things that are wrong

And even if I had JUST spoken up, the point is still a valid one, so why you're trying to diminsh what I say by bringing up an irrelevant not to mention incorrect point is curious. Obviously, I wouldn't start a thread to discuss how I find this behavior if the behavior wasn't continuing, so whatever.

She may not have been a saint, but she wasn't an axe murderer either. People should stop standing in judgement of a dead woman and let her have peace. I see NO benefit to calling this woman names after her death. You don't like who she portrayed herself to be? GREAT! But the need to tear a person apart after her death seems very strange and tbh, shows a side of 'humanity' that I think is quite disturbing.

Mob mentality & blood lust. So much posturing in this thread such as 'she was such and such and I'm so much better than her' says a lot more about who posts stuff like that rather than the way ANS lived her life

Edited February 23, 2007 by LisaD

[Fandango 1,439]

Oh, and adding: the news will stop harping on this when there's no more call for it....as you can see even here on VJ, the ones who are keeping this topic alive are the very ones who are supposedly so 'sick' of it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't disagree - I was just wondering why you picked the least 'offensive' thread (i.e. this one) about this subject to bring it up, when there have been weeks worth of discussion about it. Perhaps you didn’t read some of the comments when the death was first announced – they were, shall we say… far less conciliatory.

For my part, I think most of the negative reaction comes from the way in which these people are given ‘mythic’ status, as though this one death is any more tragic than many others that happen on a daily basis.

More to the point, if you’re going to mention “mob mentality and bloodlust”, just look at the comments whenever there is a thread about a criminal conviction or, for example, an article in which prisoners complain about conditions in US prisons. Pitchforks and burning torches would not be far off…

[one...two...tree 2,762]

When people reach celebrity status they become iconic thanks to the paparazzi and tabloids. It's no longer the person people react to but the larger-than-life icon, particularly when the person behind that icon dies a tragic death. Some people might find it insulting when someone dresses up like Elvis and impersonates him...if they can't separate the icon from the person.

Edited February 23, 2007 by Steven_and_Jinky

[mawilson 2,133]

Just sad . . . . that we have to listen to it. She was a human being and it is sad she died . . . but she wasnt Mother Theresa whose good works made her so beloved . . . I couldn't care less about Miss PLayboy Bunny Bimbo!

Mother who?

Let's see....

vs

Is it surprising that Anna was more popular?

[Fandango 1,439]

I don't disagree - I was just wondering why you picked the least 'offensive' thread (i.e. this one) about this subject to bring it up, when there have been weeks worth of discussion about it. Perhaps you didn’t read some of the comments when the death was first announced – they were, shall we say… far less conciliatory.

For my part, I think most of the negative reaction comes from the way in which these people are given ‘mythic’ status, as though this one death is any more tragic than many others that happen on a daily basis.

More to the point, if you’re going to mention “mob mentality and bloodlust”, just look at the comments whenever there is a thread about a criminal conviction or, for example, an article in which prisoners complain about conditions in US prisons. Pitchforks and burning torches would not be far off…

I did mention it in the other thread I was in as you can clearly see. I usually try to stay away from original threads like this because I try to ignore comments like the ones I'm talking about....but when this topic keeps perpetrating itself in new threads and I keep seeing people call this woman all sorts of names, enough is enough.

This death isn't more tragic than any other...but the basis on which she's so harshly judged is quite startling. and more to the point, people who will defend a pedophile will partake in the namecalling & harsh udgement as well. Imo, a pedophile deserves what (s)he gets based on the sheer horror of his/her actions. ANS is receiving all sorts of neg attention for marrying an old dude. Do I agree with marrying such an old dude? no. But it was her life to live, and if she lived it the way she wanted all the while not at expense of other human beings, then she should have respect of ppl to just let this die with her & hold their tongues as to disrespecting the dead.

The kid's gonna be a junkie of sorts <---that was your intelligent addition to this conversation before now.

She was a bimbo

She was a big fat horse <---you can't even be previously fat and not be mocked in death, sheesh

She was dumb

etc

and that was just in this thread alone. What did she do to anyone that was so bad that you all feel justified to say things like this?

Actually, nevermind.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As Steven says I think the reaction has more to do the status of the person in "pop culture" than it does with their personal qualities. The public image, of course, is separate to the person.

More to the point, I didn’t read any comments wishing harm on her, or rubbing their hands with glee at the death - as I have with other threads (hence I mentioned the prison thread, as a recent example).

Edited February 23, 2007 by erekose

[Fandango 1,439]

As Steven says I think the reaction has more to do the status of the person in "pop culture" than it does with their personal qualities. The public image, of course, is separate to the person.

More to the point, I didn’t read any comments wishing harm on her, or rubbing their hands with glee at the death - as I have with other threads (hence I mentioned the prison thread, as a recent example).

Pop culture has nowt to do with you casting aspersions on a infant orphan as going to be a junkie when she's 21....bravo for you I'm sure that made you feel so much better about yourself

Again...MORE TO THE POINT...I've addressed my thoughts on pedophiles and that prison thread in the post above...hint..I started it off with 'more to the point'...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As Steven says I think the reaction has more to do the status of the person in "pop culture" than it does with their personal qualities. The public image, of course, is separate to the person.

More to the point, I didn’t read any comments wishing harm on her, or rubbing their hands with glee at the death - as I have with other threads (hence I mentioned the prison thread, as a recent example).

Pop culture has nowt to do with you casting aspersions on a infant orphan as going to be a junkie when she's 21....bravo for you I'm sure that made you feel so much better about yourself

Again...MORE TO THE POINT...I've addressed my thoughts on pedophiles and that prison thread in the post above...hint..I started it off with 'more to the point'...

Pop culture has everything to do with it - where else would you reach a conclusion that a (potentially very rich) heiress won't turn out like the certain others in the public eye - it seems to be a trend from Drew Barrymore, to Lindsay Lohan to Paris Hilton.

I didn't mention pedophiles - you did. I said "prisoners". That said, the argument isn't mutually exclusive. 'speaking ill of the dead' (specifically of a media personality who was famous for being famous) which hardly qualifies as the sort 'mob mentality and bloodlust' as it pertains to wishing pain and suffering on people that you think deserve it.

[bucknekkid 0]

where's that lil popcorn eating emoticon when ya need him?

[Fandango 1,439]

As Steven says I think the reaction has more to do the status of the person in "pop culture" than it does with their personal qualities. The public image, of course, is separate to the person.

More to the point, I didn’t read any comments wishing harm on her, or rubbing their hands with glee at the death - as I have with other threads (hence I mentioned the prison thread, as a recent example).

Pop culture has nowt to do with you casting aspersions on a infant orphan as going to be a junkie when she's 21....bravo for you I'm sure that made you feel so much better about yourself

Again...MORE TO THE POINT...I've addressed my thoughts on pedophiles and that prison thread in the post above...hint..I started it off with 'more to the point'...

Pop culture has everything to do with it - where else would you reach a conclusion that a (potentially very rich) heiress won't turn out like the certain others in the public eye - it seems to be a trend from Drew Barrymore, to Lindsay Lohan to Paris Hilton.

I didn't mention pedophiles - you did. I said "prisoners". That said, the argument isn't mutually exclusive. 'speaking ill of the dead' (specifically of a media personality who was famous for being famous) which hardly qualifies as the sort 'mob mentality and bloodlust' as it pertains to wishing pain and suffering on people that you think deserve it.

Pop culture does not justify mocking a person after he/she died. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself, call it pop culture and spin it anyway you want

I mentioned pedophiles because that's who I was referring to in the prisoner thread you keep bringing up. Have you even read it?

Edited February 23, 2007 by LisaD

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

As Steven says I think the reaction has more to do the status of the person in "pop culture" than it does with their personal qualities. The public image, of course, is separate to the person.

More to the point, I didn’t read any comments wishing harm on her, or rubbing their hands with glee at the death - as I have with other threads (hence I mentioned the prison thread, as a recent example).

Pop culture has nowt to do with you casting aspersions on a infant orphan as going to be a junkie when she's 21....bravo for you I'm sure that made you feel so much better about yourself

Again...MORE TO THE POINT...I've addressed my thoughts on pedophiles and that prison thread in the post above...hint..I started it off with 'more to the point'...

Pop culture has everything to do with it - where else would you reach a conclusion that a (potentially very rich) heiress won't turn out like the certain others in the public eye - it seems to be a trend from Drew Barrymore, to Lindsay Lohan to Paris Hilton.

I didn't mention pedophiles - you did. I said "prisoners". That said, the argument isn't mutually exclusive. 'speaking ill of the dead' (specifically of a media personality who was famous for being famous) which hardly qualifies as the sort 'mob mentality and bloodlust' as it pertains to wishing pain and suffering on people that you think deserve it.

Pop culture does not justify mocking a person after he/she died. But hey, if it makes you feel better about yourself, call it pop culture and spin it anyway you want

I mentioned pedophiles because that's who I was referring to in the prisoner thread you keep bringing up. Have you even read it?

Yes – but as you know there are more than ‘those people’ occupying the prisons, and the suggestion made by a number of people in that and other threads - that people in jail deserve what they get (extending as far as the worst atrocities that one person can do to another – which I might add that some people here seem to want to personally carry out), hardly compares to this story.

But thank you for pointing out that celebrities are people too – I didn’t know that…

Perhaps you should give up circular arguments for lent

[one...two...tree 2,762]

It's funny how these threads end up being ideological debates.

Celebrities have been immortalized, gossiped, ridiculed, mocked, immitated for a long time and it's not going to change. Of course none of us know the real person behind the public persona which is why it becomes impersonal and therefore easier for people to engage in it. These icons of pop culture are in fact art immitating life - not the other way around. Some celebrities do their best to separate their private lives from their public persona. Some make their private life as art immitating life. IMO, Anna Nicole Smith was one such person. It is tragic all around because the iconic figure eclipses the real person and they know no longer have an identity outside of it.