Flying within the US while awaiting AOS

[DelcoCouple 1]

Every time I go through security screening at an airport, aside from almost completely disrobing, I have to present valid picture ID with my boarding pass. I use my driver's license for domestic flights.

Am I missing something?

Yes. The fact that you do this does not mean there is any LEGAL REQUIREMENT for you to do so. Sheeples just go along with the security charade and the farcical behaviour of the organisation called the TSA

Oh, please. What's the big deal about showing ID?

I'm much more impressed when someone takes a stand for something important, like world hunger or the lack of potable water in so many areas of the world...

The big deal revolves around minor little irritants like, freedom, privacy, and the rights and protections afforded by the constitution. I am sure had the founding fathers been aware of potable water issues they would have included something about it but as it stands I simply chose to deal with the OP question and the misinformation that was given in replies to them. Their issue was ID when travelling I answered that. So far as I am aware an expired visa has no affect on world hunger so I will leave that out of my reply to them.

Had the founding fathers realized that planes were going to be flown into buildings, that countries would have to protect themselves against terrorism, and that the US would be going to war against it, they might have included a clause about 'verification of identity'.

And your point is what exactly? We are told that all the players on 9/11 presented valid ID.

[John & Annie 0]

YOU'VE made a travel list, checked it twice. But at the airport, you discover something not so nice: Your photo ID is missing.

Can you still fly?

The Transportation Security Administration doesn't advertise it. And few travelers know about it. But it's possible to fly domestically, even if your ID is lost, stolen, expired or forgotten. You'll just have to go through additional security.

Although federal law requires passengers 18 and older to present a government-issued picture ID, TSA and the airlines will make exceptions for passengers who have become separated from their identification.

http://www.latimes.com/travel/columnists/l...avel-columnists

Yet they make no reference to which federal law requires this. Sloppy journalism at its best. Whilst the story confirms tha NO ID is needed they miss the real story here which is that there is a supposedly secretive direction issued by the FAA that passengers must present identification upon initial check-in. Now quite how I provide ID to my lap top when I check In online or to an automated kiosk at an airport I have no idea. This was successfully challenged in Supreme court and the 9th Circuit held that one can either choose to show ID or 'volunteer' for additional screening. That decision stands as of today and the law is therefore quiet clear in that you do NOT need to show ID to fly domestically. To have secret laws imposed without ever knowing what they are seems not only wholly at odds with constitution but a worrying state of affairs the significance of which goes way beyond showing a photo ID.

You do not appear to have a lot of sympathy in your replies.

Perhaps if you stop and think. The OP was under the impression that his wife was considered illegal, we needed to correct that assumption.

While you are right about the ID, please consider that some people would rather just carry ID to prove their right to remain in this country.

You ARE required by law to carry ID in most states, regardless of the legality of showing it to board a plane. It is also a legal requirement to carry your green card at all times while a LPR.

If you want to prove your right to not have to carry ID to get on a plane, that is fine, go ahead. Personally, that is not a point I need to prove.

[WifeOHunkyJohn 2]

LAX states that "passengers 18 years and older require a government issued photo identification to enter passenger security screening." [source]

So in conclusion, you can quote all the case law you want, but when the airlines, the airports, the department of Homeland Security and the Transport Security Administration all say to bring ID with you for air travel, I personally will be bringing ID with me when I fly.

What you do is up to you, and if you don't want to bring ID, go knock yourself out.

Annie

Edited February 16, 2007 by WifeOHunkyJohn

[JenT 0]

Every time I go through security screening at an airport, aside from almost completely disrobing, I have to present valid picture ID with my boarding pass. I use my driver's license for domestic flights.

Am I missing something?

Yes. The fact that you do this does not mean there is any LEGAL REQUIREMENT for you to do so. Sheeples just go along with the security charade and the farcical behaviour of the organisation called the TSA

Oh, please. What's the big deal about showing ID?

I'm much more impressed when someone takes a stand for something important, like world hunger or the lack of potable water in so many areas of the world...

The big deal revolves around minor little irritants like, freedom, privacy, and the rights and protections afforded by the constitution. I am sure had the founding fathers been aware of potable water issues they would have included something about it but as it stands I simply chose to deal with the OP question and the misinformation that was given in replies to them. Their issue was ID when travelling I answered that. So far as I am aware an expired visa has no affect on world hunger so I will leave that out of my reply to them.

Had the founding fathers realized that planes were going to be flown into buildings, that countries would have to protect themselves against terrorism, and that the US would be going to war against it, they might have included a clause about 'verification of identity'.

And your point is what exactly? We are told that all the players on 9/11 presented valid ID.

So we are told.

[DelcoCouple 1]

You do not appear to have a lot of sympathy in your replies.

Perhaps if you stop and think. The OP was under the impression that his wife was considered illegal, we needed to correct that assumption.

While you are right about the ID, please consider that some people would rather just carry ID to prove their right to remain in this country.

You ARE required by law to carry ID in most states, regardless of the legality of showing it to board a plane. It is also a legal requirement to carry your green card at all times while a LPR.

If you want to prove your right to not have to carry ID to get on a plane, that is fine, go ahead. Personally, that is not a point I need to prove.

Sympathy something I can live without. I did not read anywhere in his post that he thought his wife was illegal. He did express concern that his wife had no way of showing to a lay person that she was in legal status. That is quite a jump you made there as to the OP.I posted factual information in reply to the OP I didn't enter a popularity contest. State laws with regard to ID or LPR card conditions have no relevance to his question. I am not trying to prove a point I am simply stating factual and correct information pertinent to the OP question. If people choose to try and prove their incorrect replies based on information found on websites as opposed to the law is correct and that the 9th circuit judges wrong then that is fine they can spend all day doing so.

I stated to the OP

1 ID is not required for domestic travel

2 Her passport is an acceptable form of ID should she choose to use it.

3 A more pertinent problem may be how advanced his wife's pregnancy is with regard to air travel than ID concerns.

If people want to argue that any of the above is wrong I am sure he will read their advice in context

[KarenCee 3]

.........and your reasons for being so sarcastic to almost everyone in almost every post you make is?

[John & Annie 0]

You do not appear to have a lot of sympathy in your replies.

Perhaps if you stop and think. The OP was under the impression that his wife was considered illegal, we needed to correct that assumption.

While you are right about the ID, please consider that some people would rather just carry ID to prove their right to remain in this country.

You ARE required by law to carry ID in most states, regardless of the legality of showing it to board a plane. It is also a legal requirement to carry your green card at all times while a LPR.

If you want to prove your right to not have to carry ID to get on a plane, that is fine, go ahead. Personally, that is not a point I need to prove.

Sympathy something I can live without. I did not read anywhere in his post that he thought his wife was illegal. He did express concern that his wife had no way of showing to a lay person that she was in legal status. That is quite a jump you made there as to the OP.I posted factual information in reply to the OP I didn't enter a popularity contest. State laws with regard to ID or LPR card conditions have no relevance to his question. I am not trying to prove a point I am simply stating factual and correct information pertinent to the OP question. If people choose to try and prove their incorrect replies based on information found on websites as opposed to the law is correct and that the 9th circuit judges wrong then that is fine they can spend all day doing so.

I stated to the OP

1 ID is not required for domestic travel

2 Her passport is an acceptable form of ID should she choose to use it.

3 A more pertinent problem may be how advanced his wife's pregnancy is with regard to air travel than ID concerns.

If people want to argue that any of the above is wrong I am sure he will read their advice in context

Being that you do not have the ability to see beyond your narrow vision, I do not see any reason to continue this dialog with you.

I wish you the best on your journey

[DelcoCouple 1]

.........and your reasons for being so sarcastic to almost everyone in almost every post you make is?

And here was me lost in the illusion that the thread was about ID requirements when travelling domestically within the USA when all along it was about my style of writing, silly me.

I found your answer to be sarcastic, nevertheless welcome to the world of diversity and different styles of writing.

Now if you can tell me how I can convey to people that no matter what they personally do, believe, think or have heard from a friend, bloke in a pub or on faux news and is therefore correct they are plain and simple wrong in legal terms without them going into a google fervour to show me how brilliant they are all then I can lay off the sarcasm a little.

My guess however is that my tongue will be firmly implanted in my cheek for years to come.

Edited February 16, 2007 by DelcoCouple

[John & Annie 0]

.........and your reasons for being so sarcastic to almost everyone in almost every post you make is?

And here was me lost in the illusion that the thread was about ID requirements when travelling domestically within the USA when all along it was about my style of writing, silly me.

I found your answer to be sarcastic, nevertheless welcome to the world of diversity and different styles of writing.

Now if you can tell me how I can convey to people that no matter what they personally do, believe, think or have heard from a friend, bloke in a pub or on faux news and is therefore correct they are plain and simple wrong in legal terms without them going into a google fervour to show me how brilliant they are all then I can lay off the sarcasm a little.

My guess however is that my tongue will be firmly implanted in my cheek for years to come.

Thank you for proving my point

[DelcoCouple 1]

Thank you for proving my point

Yet for some reason unbeknown to me you feel compelled to keep replying with personal observations rather than anything of substance in relation to the OP which refutes the answers I have given.

Are you saying that ID is required to fly domestically/

Are you saying that the passport is not acceptable ID should she choose to use it/

Are you saying that an advanced stage of pregnancy would never present a potential difficulty for an intending air passenger.

If not then you agree with me. If you are then please enlighten us all as to why the above 3 statements are factually correct.

You have certainly managed to prove A point to the impartial casual reader, but I am not convinced it is the one you intended

[payxibka 10,047]

I can think of some recent posts where you don't observe you own "preaching"...

[John & Annie 0]

Thank you for proving my point

Yet for some reason unbeknown to me you feel compelled to keep replying with personal observations rather than anything of substance in relation to the OP which refutes the answers I have given.

Are you saying that ID is required to fly domestically/

Are you saying that the passport is not acceptable ID should she choose to use it/

Are you saying that an advanced stage of pregnancy would never present a potential difficulty for an intending air passenger.

If not then you agree with me. If you are then please enlighten us all as to why the above 3 statements are factually correct.

You have certainly managed to prove A point to the impartial casual reader, but I am not convinced it is the one you intended

I believe you have me confused with someone else.

I do not recall confirming or denial of any of those issues.

Before you respond, if you respond. I believe you should clarify those for US Citizens vs. non-US Citizens. I think you will find a disparity between the two.

[DelcoCouple 1]

I do not recall confirming or denial of any of those issues.

Exactly following your post

You do not appear to have a lot of sympathy in your replies.

Perhaps if you stop and think. The OP was under the impression that his wife was considered illegal, we needed to correct that assumption.

While you are right about the ID, please consider that some people would rather just carry ID to prove their right to remain in this country.

You ARE required by law to carry ID in most states, regardless of the legality of showing it to board a plane. It is also a legal requirement to carry your green card at all times while a LPR.

If you want to prove your right to not have to carry ID to get on a plane, that is fine, go ahead. Personally, that is not a point I need to prove.

I replied with

.....I stated to the OP

1 ID is not required for domestic travel

2 Her passport is an acceptable form of ID should she choose to use it.

3 A more pertinent problem may be how advanced his wife's pregnancy is with regard to air travel than ID concerns.

If people want to argue that any of the above is wrong I am sure he will read their advice in context

Your meaningful response was

Being that you do not have the ability to see beyond your narrow vision, I do not see any reason to continue this dialog with you.

I wish you the best on your journey

You failed to address any of those point at all. Instead you provided a rather condescending lecture about what I should be considering. I am perfectly able to form my own opinion as to what I need to consider but thanks for the helpful advice. You then went on to make incorrect statements of fact regarding ID requirements in general again not anything to do with the topic. Deflecting away from the topic is a common debate tactic.

The post that helped the OP in gaining an answer or question of course has to be

Thank you for proving my point

If you want to debate the points I have raised then please do so but an attempt to divert to another topic won't get you that far as I have an annoying tendency to go back to the original question and the answers I gave. You make many assumptions that are generally held truisms but not factual at all.

Before you respond, if you respond. I believe you should clarify those for US Citizens vs. non-US Citizens. I think you will find a disparity between the two.

There is no difference in the Photo ID requirement for citizen/non citizens. The issue the court decided on was the requirement to produce Photo ID in order to fly domestically within the US. That decision applies equally to citizens and non citizens. A requirement to carry a LPR card does not over rule that decision and you may still travel without ID. Do not make the mistake of equating TSA buffons with LEOs they are not.

To paraphrase you in part, before you reply if you reply at all I believe you should read the original posters questions my replies to them and see if there is anything I have said which is factually incorrect. If there is then please let me know if not then perhaps you can find a new master to follow around as to be honest I have no real need of a puppy dog

If you do not like my writing style then do not read my replies. But is that is all you have to offer instead of substantive input you really need to turn the keyboard off and walk away in the fresh air for a while.

Have a great weekend, I am just about to go out for dinner and a nice evening so it may take a while for me to get around to replying to any serious points that are on the topic I responded to

[Killer_Clown_2009 0]

We are all awaiting your return with bated breath. Hopefully we manage to get through the next fews hours without you.

[Danichek 0]

I appreciate the information given here. My concern at going to the airport is that someone might try to put stress on my pregnant wife. She has a state issued driver's licence that expired with her visa. I do not want a security screener try and detain her and risk a miscarriage or premature labor. Thank you for your advise and suggestions!