Inmates, California officials warn prisons crowded

[Alex+R 0]

Making comparisons between the living conditions of the armed forces while at war (which is presumably where you are coming from) and prisoners doesn't really make much sense.

The fact is that the overcrowding problems affect not only the perpetrators of heinous crimes, but everyone in jail, all the prison workers and the prison system as a whole. The article isn't trying to generate people's sympathies for particular prisoners, but hightlight that a broken system is going to cause more and more problems for society at large and needs to be fixed.

If it was just about some prisoners whining about lack of facilities that would be a different story altogether.

My point is that they don't have it that bad. Prison is not supposed to be fun and comfortable.

I think that's missing the point. Nobody is saying "oh poor criminals, they deserve penthouses." It's the result of having unrest in a prison that is cause for worry. What are the effects of prison overcrowding on repeat offenses? That's the question I am more interested in.

[bucknekkid 0]

The Sheriff from Az is Joe Arpaio..He treats his inmates with the dignity they deserve, and in no uncertain terms tells them "if you don't like it here, then don't come back"

[eric&gen 0]

Not all that bad they get free cable tv, free meals free medical all paid out of our taxes lol.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Making comparisons between the living conditions of the armed forces while at war (which is presumably where you are coming from) and prisoners doesn't really make much sense.

The fact is that the overcrowding problems affect not only the perpetrators of heinous crimes, but everyone in jail, all the prison workers and the prison system as a whole. The article isn't trying to generate people's sympathies for particular prisoners, but hightlight that a broken system is going to cause more and more problems for society at large and needs to be fixed.

If it was just about some prisoners whining about lack of facilities that would be a different story altogether.

these prisoners have it nicer than our boys even in garrison. nice try, thanks for playing.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Making comparisons between the living conditions of the armed forces while at war (which is presumably where you are coming from) and prisoners doesn't really make much sense.

The fact is that the overcrowding problems affect not only the perpetrators of heinous crimes, but everyone in jail, all the prison workers and the prison system as a whole. The article isn't trying to generate people's sympathies for particular prisoners, but hightlight that a broken system is going to cause more and more problems for society at large and needs to be fixed.

If it was just about some prisoners whining about lack of facilities that would be a different story altogether.

My point is that they don't have it that bad. Prison is not supposed to be fun and comfortable.

I think that's missing the point. Nobody is saying "oh poor criminals, they deserve penthouses." It's the result of having unrest in a prison that is cause for worry. What are the effects of prison overcrowding on repeat offenses? That's the question I am more interested in.

They don't have it that bad. My point is point is that I tolerated worse conditions and came out as stronger person. You probably never have served in the armed forces so you wouldn't understand. Don't take that as an insult.

[Peikko 1,575]

So, you just ignore that part in the article where prison officers are worried about having to let loose prisoners back into society who haven't had any proper rehabilitation and the problems of having to work in condititions of overcrowding because in your mind a prison is a nicer place than a barracks?

[isleta521 5]

Not all that bad they get free cable tv, free meals free medical all paid out of our taxes lol.

Not to mention all the sex they want for free

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

So, you just ignore that part in the article where prison officers are worried about having to let loose prisoners back into society who haven't had any proper rehabilitation and the problems of having to work in condititions of overcrowding because in your mind a prison is a nicer place than a barracks?

the question remains as to whether they can be rehabilitated, eh?

slice it any way you wish, our boys in the military have worse accomodations.

[Peikko 1,575]

The question remains as to whether they can be rehabilitated, eh?

What is your point?

It is established that all prisoners require help and guidance when they are released. If they don't get it, they are more likely to re offend. Is it your position that, once you have been served time in prison, regardless of circumstance you lost the right to be treated like a human being?

Well, thankfully the prison system doesn't look at it that way and they need the resources to follow the established proceedures. Are you somehow suggesting that if the resources aren't used for prisons then somehow the money will go to the armed forces? That's quite illogical.

You may think it's serves some useful purpose to compare prisons and barracks but it really doesn't.

[Fandango 1,439]

Convicted murderers complaining of triple bunk beds and not being 'condusive to mental health'

child molesters saying not being in a single cell is 'cruel and inhuman'

WAKE UP PPL!

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

The question remains as to whether they can be rehabilitated, eh?

What is your point?

It is established that all prisoners require help and guidance when they are released. If they don't get it, they are more likely to re offend. Is it your position that, once you have been served time in prison, regardless of circumstance you lost the right to be treated like a human being?

Well, thankfully the prison system doesn't look at it that way and they need the resources to follow the established proceedures. Are you somehow suggesting that if the resources aren't used for prisons then somehow the money will go to the armed forces? That's quite illogical.

You may think it's serves some useful purpose to compare prisons and barracks but it really doesn't.

my point is obvously lost on you. you're in a rush to believe they won't be repeat offenders but the fact is many are. perhaps you'll sleep better at night knowing you are a champion for felon's rights. hey, maybe you can have a few come stay with you after they get out, since you seem so set on helping them out!

[DeadPoolX 9]

Not all that bad they get free cable tv, free meals free medical all paid out of our taxes lol.

That really ticks me off too.

There are a lot of people in this country (and other countries) who don't have cable television because it's too expensive. They don't rely on (or expect) others to pay for it, and yet, we give cable TV to prisoners through our taxes! Prisoners also get, as Eric pointed out, free meals and "free" healthcare, both items we do not have on the outside.

Now granted, in prison there's no opportunity to work and gain money in order to pay for these things, but doesn't anyone find it the least bit unfair that prisoners -- the worst of society -- get what upstanding, law-abiding citizens cannot and do not? Prison isn't supposed to be someplace nice; a country club of sorts. It's supposed to be something overwhelmingly hellish.

The question remains as to whether they can be rehabilitated, eh?

What is your point?

It is established that all prisoners require help and guidance when they are released. If they don't get it, they are more likely to re offend. Is it your position that, once you have been served time in prison, regardless of circumstance you lost the right to be treated like a human being?

Well, thankfully the prison system doesn't look at it that way and they need the resources to follow the established proceedures. Are you somehow suggesting that if the resources aren't used for prisons then somehow the money will go to the armed forces? That's quite illogical.

You may think it's serves some useful purpose to compare prisons and barracks but it really doesn't.

You're assuming that every prisoner gets parole. That's not true at all. Many don't or when their parole hearing comes up, they are denied (sometimes repeatedly). These individuals are usually the ones who've committed the worst crimes, and are the most likely to remain in prison either for life or move onto "death row" where the death penalty is available in certain states.

It's my feeling that only prisoners with relatively minor offenses can be rehabilitated and sent out again into society. Sending a child molestor or rapist or murderer into the community is just asking for trouble.

Edited February 16, 2007 by DeadPoolX

[Fandango 1,439]

I don't agree that 11 grams of pot should have you in prison for life. That's just ridiculous.

But child molesters, for instance, are the scum of the earth and will never be rehabbed.....like deadpool said. IMO they deserve to be raped daily with a splintery broom handle.

scum of the earth! worth saying again. That guy in the article is lucky he's not in a prison in another country & that he has the protection he does here.

cruel and unusual...ffffs

Edited February 16, 2007 by LisaD

[Peikko 1,575]

I am not suggesting all prisoners are released at all, my point was that all who are released require guidance and help to allow them to re intergrate into society.

While the article gave opinions of the conditions from the extreme end of the prison scale, it does not suggest that the conditions are only bad in prisons where these people reside, infact, the people that they are likely to release early are of course going to be lesser offenders.

Of course, if you wish to change the prison system to accomodate your views on how you believe prisoners should be treated, then all well and good, start a campaign but believe it or not it is highly unlikely that prisons are going to be changed to accept worse conditions than they are at present meant to be. The fact is, the prisons in the article fall short of what is expected of the prisons and fail everyone in the prison system, prisoners, prison workers and society.

It's not a question of my 'championing' felon's rights, but a question of accepting that a system that is failing needs to be addressed. However, it is true that I don't sit thinking, oh man, that's excellent that these prisoners are living in horrible conditions, serve them right!!! I am thinking, if I worked in a prison facility, I would rather have inmates who were tollerating the conditions because they were humanitarian and not likely to cause a meltdown.

[Alex+R 0]

Making comparisons between the living conditions of the armed forces while at war (which is presumably where you are coming from) and prisoners doesn't really make much sense.

The fact is that the overcrowding problems affect not only the perpetrators of heinous crimes, but everyone in jail, all the prison workers and the prison system as a whole. The article isn't trying to generate people's sympathies for particular prisoners, but hightlight that a broken system is going to cause more and more problems for society at large and needs to be fixed.

If it was just about some prisoners whining about lack of facilities that would be a different story altogether.

My point is that they don't have it that bad. Prison is not supposed to be fun and comfortable.

I think that's missing the point. Nobody is saying "oh poor criminals, they deserve penthouses." It's the result of having unrest in a prison that is cause for worry. What are the effects of prison overcrowding on repeat offenses? That's the question I am more interested in.

They don't have it that bad. My point is point is that I tolerated worse conditions and came out as stronger person. You probably never have served in the armed forces so you wouldn't understand. Don't take that as an insult.

Wait, you expect uneducated rapists and drug addicts to "come out of it stronger" as though they had the same integrity and character as your average person, but then you also think they deserve to be treated as subhuman? You seem to have both a higher opinion of them AND a lower opinion of them than I do. I'm confused.